. >> for more on the dubious moorm, i'm joined by white house reporter austin and spencer ackerman. spencer, you've been reporting on this. what are they doing? what is the game plan here? >> so, this is somewhat like -- this is somewhat like when galileo ends up transforming our view of a helio centric universe and in order to sort of fight off that transformation, you have to get into ever more exotic theories. >> right. >> to kind of explain this. and you end up getting the idea of like the retro grade motion of gestalt. >> spencer. >> it's an interesting thing to watch as applied to this memo which to be very clear, i have not read and we only get you know, snippets from what we can report on. what we know right now from our reporting last night myself and betsy woodruff at the daily buy of the," the memo names particular sort of conservative people of the moment to include the former fbi director jim comey, the current deputy attorney general rod rosenstein, and as one of the more famous targets at this point by the president the deputy director of the fbi andrew mccabe. now, am