there is spencer elliott and just saying the children of a couple and they weren't adopted. they were in vitro but it was just, i tried very hard in the book, i wanted people to come away from this really understanding the legal arguments, really getting, if you are into, i had this thought if you are into legal thrillers i wanted you to read it without reason and to watch the best lawyers of their generation put together a major civil rights case. i also wanted always to try to find a way back to the personal areas i talk a lot about for instance some of the lawyers in the case and the special burden that they carried with them. there is a wonderful moment where they have their lawyer hats on all day and they put the witness and the witness was there to talk about stigma and what he was there to talk about was how discrimination affects people and place out in their everyday life. the lawyers got them ready and everybody kind of testifies and everybody went to a bar after court and i went with them. they were sitting there and one of the young lawyer said it was like listen

there is spencer elliott and just saying the children of a couple and they weren't adopted. they were in vitro but it was just, i tried very hard in the book, i wanted people to come away from this really understanding the legal arguments, really getting, if you are into, i had this thought if you are into legal thrillers i wanted you to read it without reason and to watch the best lawyers of their generation put together a major civil rights case. i also wanted always to try to find a way back to the personal areas i talk a lot about for instance some of the lawyers in the case and the special burden that they carried with them. there is a wonderful moment where they have their lawyer hats on all day and they put the witness and the witness was there to talk about stigma and what he was there to talk about was how discrimination affects people and place out in their everyday life. the lawyers got them ready and everybody kind of testifies and everybody went to a bar after court and i went with them. they were sitting there and one of the young lawyer said it was like listen

and there's like spencer and elliott. just saying the children of a gay couple and they weren't adopted, they were in vitro but it's just -- i tried very hard in the book to -- i wanted people to come away from this really understanding the legal arguments, really kind of getting -- i mean, if you're -- i had this thought if you're into kind of legal thrillers, i want you to come to the book and read it for that reason and watch how two of the best lawyers of their generation put together a major civil rights case, but i also wanted always to try to find a way back to the personal. so i talk a lot about, for instance, some of the gay lawyers in the case and the kind of special burden that they carried with them, and there's a sort of wonderful moment where they had had their lawyer lahat on all day and they had prepped the witness and the witness was there to talk about stigma and what he was there to talk about was really how discrimination affects people and plays out in their everyday life, and the lawyers got him read