who've broken with him pence, barr, mattis, esper, pompeo, tillerson, mulvaney, kelly, mcmaster, bolton, pottinger, spencero, mike -- it goes on and on and on. but the problem is the republican party can't break the cycle. >> yeah, and i think all of those defections -- and pete's exactly right. laying on the line exactly what hangs in the balance of re-election of donald trump. puts right in front of us the gravity of needing to topple him politically. but what we have learned i think through all the indictments and through that list of people you just mentioned who have tried to challenge him on substance, is donald trump will not be stopped on substance i'm not even sure he will be stopped politically by any actions that happen in a court of law he might be convicted and still elected president. i think if you are architecting a campaign against him in a republican primary it is a very sober data-driven campaign it it is a delegate slog and in that delegate slog you do nothing to upend donald trump. you can't. there's not a message you can challenge donald trump on substance or ethics or national securi