. >> spike bowman, may i ask you a question about dan forsman point of view? one concern is the relevant intelligence and sharing of intelligence in terms of different agencies. how do you say this in light of recent revelation of the nsa struggling terms of the question of the civil liberties concerns that you worked on for so many years? >> civil liberties, excuse me, civil liberties was always one of the biggest concerns we had at the fbi because the fbi is, unlike nsa or the central intelligence agency, 95% of what the nsa collected are against u.s. persons, not foreigners. we have always been very concerned about that. i probably received at least one phone call a day from agents in the field who ask and i do this, should i do this, where is the line? i'm mentioned that only to emphasize the fact that this is a real issue. if you come up to today and look at what the nsa is doing, several different things. first of all, what the nsa is doing is collecting data data which is constitutionally not protected. it is third-party information. it does not belong

please join me in welcoming spike bowman. [applause] >> thank you, john. when we think of organized crime i think most of us incorporated about the east coast of the united states when we look at the crime families and things like that and we tend not to really look at it as a national security issue. after all what disorganized crime do lex it's money and it takes money from people and takes money from organizations from institutions. it corrupts police and officials in the government at officials and engages in arms trafficking and so forth. the problem you have with looking at it as simply a criminal enterprise is that you can't have effective organized crime if you don't have corruption somewhere along the line. in addition to that if you have anyplace in the world which is unstable you have a breeding ground for organized crime and if you think about it depending on how you count it there are 195 countries in the world a great majority of which are failed states which gets a lot of opportunity and breeding ground for organized crime. instability in an

let me introduce the members of the panel, spike bowman of the fbi currently distinguished fellow at center on national security university of virginia school of law and this is the other partner that we cooperate with. then professor kumar at the school of foreign service georgetown university and the president of the olson group mr. wallace. i'm going to say a few things and then turned to introductions before they speak. usually what we try to do is keep in mind that terrorism is only one of the many challenges in terms of man-made and national disasters therefore we always try to remember, never forget those who were victimized by both mother nature and man-made disasters and with this opportunity i would like to express sympathy for the victims in latvia who were killed in the supermarket and those who were killed in the typhoon in the philippines and those who were victimized by terrorist attacks from algeria to kenya and the ongoing attacks now in a serious, iraq, afghanistan, pakistan and elsewhere so that is one way to express our solidarity and sympathy of the victims. and

spike bowman, former deputy general counsel, national security of the fbi, currently distinguished fellow senate on national security law, university of virginia school of law. and this is the other partner that we collaborate with. then professor amit kumar at the school of foreign service at georgetown university. and then kyle olson who is the president of the olsen group, and professor don wallace. i'm going to say a few words later on in terms of introductions before they speak. now, usually what we try to do is keep in mind terrorism is only one of the many challenges in terms of man-made and natural disasters. and, therefore, we always try to remember, never forget those who were victimized by both mother nature and man-made disasters. and this opportunity, i would like to express sympathy for the victims in latvian, those who were killed in a supermarket, those who were killed in a typhoon in the philippines and, of course, those were victimized by service to fix in -- to kenya. and i'm going, syria, iraq, afghanistan, pakistan and elsewhere. so that's one aspect to express our so

please join me in welcoming spike bowman. [applause] >> thank you, john. when we think of organized crime, i think that most of us think about the east coast of the united states but look at the crime families and things like that and we tend not to really look at it as a national security issue so after all it is organized crime do? it takes money from people and from organizations and institutions it corrupts police and officials and government officials and engages in arms trafficking and so forth. the problem we are simply looking at it as a criminal enterprise as we can have effective organized crime. if we don't have corruption somewhere along the line. in addition to that, if you have any place in the world which is unstable, you have a breeding ground for organized crime. and if you think about it, there are -- depending how you count there are 194 countries in the world. it is a great majority of which are weak or failing states, which gives a lot of opportunity for breeding ground for organized crime. and instability in any region is a threat to