mag spinelli is a psychiatrist like myself, except competent. she's interested in postpartum depression and will tell us about hormonal changes associated with it and some of the things likely to increase the likelihood of of depression. 10% to 20% of women come down with postpartum depression. it also occurs in men and david is a person who suffered from this. the reason one doesn't know more about this is because most men are reluctant to discuss it. we are fortunate to have david here who is a physician and pediatrician and has the courage to discuss it, which is not only wonderful for us but beneficial for other people who might suffer from postpartum depression to realize that to talk about it is normal. this is nothing to be ashamed of and it may be helpful for both the person who suffers from it and the people around him. we are in for a terrific program that could make us better parents, grandparents and godparents. charlie: let me ask this question of how we behave as parents is wired into the brain, a central aspect of our conversation

during his six years as one of the jail's senior investigators, jonathan spinelli has amassed a significantction of inmate-made weapons. >> this piece of evidence is a wall plate and this is a piece of metal but this can be filed down to a very sharp point. an inmate could use this as a cutting instrument where they could use it as a knife or some sort of sharp instrument to cut them in the throat, the face. these are metal rods filed down, most likely this looks like it was part maybe of a chair or the heating vents. they have these slats on the heating vents they can rip them off of. that's pretty common. you can carry this and no one would know it's in your possession. you can walk out of your cell with it and stab somebody with it, stab an officer with it. >> the ingenuity behind some weapons is almost beyond belief. >> this is a paint ball. it's very hard, probably about very similar to a small rock. and what inmates do with this is they chip the paint off the walls and they stick it in a container and they heat the water and they soften the paint too with it and makes it very pliable

. >> we've got kelly english and tomaso spinelli. how are you? >> why did you want to get involved in this? >> we love challenges just like you do so when we were asked if we could have the opportunity to build a route from boston to new york, we were very excited. >> you guide tours all over the place so this is your passion and your job. >> exactly. >> you've laid out the route. you're responsible for this route. >> yes. >> so what is it that i need to know about this and why did you choose this particular route? >> day one in boston will be a great warmup ride. the most challenging day will be day two. tough roads, hills, wind. >> 65 miles we're traveling that day. >> yes. >> day three you'll love it beautiful, gorgeous ride and then that's flat as a pancake. day four and five is more cycling cycling, watch for car doors and traffic. >> you mentioned wind. weather has a huge impact on the ride, i've learned that over the last two months. what's the other weather things i need to know about? i've avoided the temperature. >> the tem

we've got kelly english and tamaso spinelli.> we love challenges just like you do. so when we were asked if we could have the opportunity to build a route from boston to new york we were very excited. >> and you guide tours all over the place. so this is your passion and your job. >> correct. >> exactly. >> you've laid out the route. you're responsible for this route. so what is it that i need to know about this and why did you choose this? >> day one in boston is a great warm-up ride. the most challenging day is going to be day two. we're looking at hills and probably wind. >> about 65 miles we're traveling that day. >> exactly, yes. day three, you're going to love it. it's a beautiful gorgeous ride. and then as plat as a pancake. and day four and five more urban cycling. watch for cars car doors, and traffic. >> you mentioned wind. i've learned one thing over training of these past two months that weather has a huge impact on the ride. what's the other weather things i need to know about? have you looked at the forecast? i pur