. >> had he worked for spiro agnew? >> i forgot that if that was true. >> did you play any role of shaping information? the books that were handed to the committee? >> again, not the article i watergate conspiracy, but i may have had a role in some of the other stuff? >> the question for you, since you were working on the legal side, did you come to the understanding that this procedure was like a grand jury? some question as to whether mr. st. clair could be there and cross-examine. >> and -- and then i guess the issue in a grand jury, the defendant's council is not there. >> most grand juries. some states by statute permitted defense council. >> is this one of the -- sort of discussions? >> yeah, there were a lot of arguments about whether the standard here was probable cause, 4 out of 9. preponderance, 5 out of 9. reasonable doubt? >> you mean five out of nine jurors? >> no, percentage likelihood. no. a grand jury, four o4 out of 9 , that's probable cause. there are all different standards of proof required. another

spiro agnew was on the attack. they made the press the issue successfully. the conduct of the press became the issue rather than the conduct of the president of the united states. why was that such an effective strategy? because it works and because it appeal-- again, that-- unless the--you know, until things become really hairy in this country, people identify with criticism of the press and usually for some pretty good reasons. you know, we don't do our-- you know, we're like doctors, you know? you go to the doctor's office, and 10% of the doctors in this country are great, and they, you know, save your life. another 20% of them, you might be a little better off by the time you leave the office. another 20%, you're about the same, 30% a little worse, 20% of them, you'll be in pretty rough shape. 10% of them will kill you. i'm not at all sure that we're different. people want their children to marry doctors. well, that's because they make more money. [laughter] it has nothing to do with saving lives. [laughter] but my point is that when the chips are down a

spiro agnew, actually the session is a new was the most bewildering really on those with richard nixon because nixon was not mysterious with ms one would expect him to be. and in fact, he was almost positively asked the contrary in terms of it. i don't know why because there was basically breaking along with bribes and so on and so forth. and he was saying things that i don't think vice president matt albers took a bribe from anyone who we didn't think was the best man for the job. given out bribes are never going to get the job anyway was the sorry. but afterwards, i did say it was so generous in the way. he said i don't want to kick a man when he's down. but it was a surprise. none of us would've choreographed this this jazz performance over agnew. >> host: how do you choose the topic of the program? >> they sort of have chosen some to assert extent. there was one, obviously one on watergate. one foreign-policy, one on abuse of power and one that variously codenamed mix in the man or whatever and there's a good joke with peter august in the play were nixon is asking jack brennan what

she was the wife of former maryland governor and vice president spiro agnew. a spokesperson says she was surrounded by her family and died of natural causes. judy agnew was 91. >>> chicago's midway international airport is back in business, following a power outage. the airport was shut down for nearly four hours overnight. due to a lack of runway light. chicago aviation department officials say a problem with a lighting volt caused the outage. 85 flights were canceled or diverted, while the airport was closed. airlines are working to get back on schedule. >>> midair meltdown. a plea from the pilot who came unglued on a packed flight over texas. mary is in the newsroom with the latest on this case. mary? >> hi, kai. clayton osbun pleaded not guilty to charges of interfering with a flight crew. the incident was caught on cell phone, back in march. passengers had to wrestle him to the floor after he left the cockpit midflight, ranting about jesus and al qaeda. he faces up to 20 years in prison if convicted. kai? >> mary, thank you. no trial date has been set. >>>