for example, his vice president, spiro agnew was his hitman on racial policy the president himself very rarely, i can't remember a single time when he personally attacked individual reporters, or when he personally attacked some institution, he might complain but not attack it. and this iske key. the reasonla that it is is key,i hear people say all the time, naturally, dan rather, you would complain about the president complaining about the president. no, with these kind of attacks, of course it is important to our reputations and you can say our living as journalists but it is vital to the country we understand this has to be unacceptable because a free, a truly-free and independent, fiercely-independent press are necessary iss the red beating heart of freedom and democracy. if we don't have it, we will not have the system of government we have now. [applause] >> so, given what you just said, you said a lot of things, i put the press piece off to the side, and what you were talking about, before like, we've never seen this, before much, the tone and tenor coming out of the oval office,