i read what you said-- spivak was when he came back. there was quite a scene when he interrupted his campaign to come back and i remember i was testifying at the time. michelle davis, who is here with me today, and was sitting behind him was testifying and handed me a note. my blood sorter brand cold right there. she said to me now, if someone asks you about john mccain coming back, just simply say i welcome the involvement of everyone in this and so one because i think she was afraid what might come out of my mouth. [inaudible] specie talk to me on the flight on the way down. in any event, so but, as it turns out, and again, it was a couple of days of anxiety, but again, john mccain when he was back spent time with the house republicans rallying them and so, he did his part. and then even after we got the t.a.r.p., he did not jump on or criticize some of the things we had done, which again were very unpopular. the american people, and i'm proud of the fact that at one level the american people, none of us like bailout so again, i looke

spivak cuts across politics dumm there is conservative environmentalist. >> people forget about teddy roosevelt and forget it was richard nixon that gave us both the epa and the clean air act. pb2 of the clean water act that that was overridden. it wasn't until ronald reagan that environmentalism became a dirty word amongst conservatives and that word has gotten dirtier and dirtier with global warming. it need not be that way. environmental stewardship can be based in whatever you want. the left-wing of the democratic party does not have a monopoly on caring about the environment. >> how do you get the chesapeake bay foundation to be darker green? >> i have been poking them in the eye for nine years now. [laughter] how do you get the chesapeake bay foundation to be more dark green? steady pressure gently applied does not hurt. they are like any other group or could they have their own institutional interest and they have a actual advocacy interest and they happen to be at odds with each other. if more people said i'm going to give my check to this dark green group weathered was the ri