yet, the splc has the audacity to label me an extremist.ons from the likes of jp morgan and apple that prompted central in an op-ed by funding this list jp morgan and apple are saying they support labeling christian organizations that oppose gay marriage as, quote, hate groups. victor davis hanson is a senior fellow at the hoover. he joins me. very welcome to have you on the program tonight. >> thank you. >> martha: this piece by kim central caught my eye this morning. and we had looked at your piece the other day on the war monuments. this one to start with in this sort of progressive leaning at corporations where they feel if they don't back groups like the splc they might be criticized. there might be backlash from some of their consumers. they may get justth opposite here. >> yeah. they do. they are business people. so they look at the world in a cost benefit analysis. they have come to the conclusion that the few activists like the splc represent a greater danger by defamation to them or blackmail or boycotts than do the vast majority

steve scalise, a friend of mine, he was on splc's site multiple times.nt after him trying to deprive him of his leadership position. after that, the media then calls for -- hey, we've got to ratchet down the rhetoric, we've got to calm down here. we have not heard those calls this time. >> tucker: they're completelyar irresponsible. we are out of time. i feel for you. i hope this doesn't expose you to any dangers. >> thanks. thanks for coming on. >> tucker: traditionally the left was wary of large, powerful corporations controlling people's lives. but not any longer. they are in bed with big tech companies who are now minoritieb -- suppressing minority news online. yes, some of it is disgusting, but a year from now will you be on the list? we are talking to a progressive radio show host who is defending it. stay tuned. it's ok that everybody ignores me when i drive. it's fine. because i get a safe driving bonus check every six months i'm accident free. because i don't use my cellphone when i'm driving. even though my family does, and leaves me all alone.

spoon let me just say i'm sure i'm going to wind up on the splc web site for saying this, but i'm notefending white supremacy. i don't believe it in and i don't approve of it. what i believe in his freedom of expression. in a marketplace of ideas where they compete with one another. if you don't like what somebody saying, make the counter case. beat them in debate, don't shut them down. aren't you as a liberal may be a little bit bothered by the practice at google of eliminating things from should search results? you don't even know it's there? google has a functional monopoly on search and you know that. let's not pretend. that doesn't bother you? >> in the case of google that would be the exception. search is like, the one area where they really are like a monopoly but all the other things that you just described are not monopolies, so there really is a marketplace for competition. search as a whole another animal which is why google is running into some trouble in places like europe. i don't like the idea that google remove search results just because we don't like what the answer

i think you're own splc website, say there are well over 1,000, —— i think your own splc website, say,000, something like 1,500 different confederate monuments across the united states, is your group saying they must all come down now this has been brought out into the open and is such a big national debating point, are you saying they all have to come down? there are 1,500 confederate symbols, whether that be a statue, whether that be a holiday, whether that be the name of a street, and i think in all of those instances are communities that support them ought to take a hard look and ask themselves, is that the message they want to send? in montgomery, alabama, there's a school called jefferson davis high school. it was dedicated in the late 1960s when the citizenry or the leadership in montgomery was still resisting school desegregation. do i think it's wrong for that school to have been named afterjefferson davis, a person who fought and led a treasonous government to defend slavery? absolutely. do i think the community should change its name? yes i do. those in america who see thes

what leads the splc to classify something as a hate group? >> well, as you mentioned, we identified la16, 900 active hat groups in the united states. the vast majority are white suh prem sises. they are broken down. racist skin heads and the like. now, a group lands on our anti, our hate list, because they have a belief that vilifies an entire group of people based on they immutable characteristics. they don't have to engage in any violence, but they have a belief and recruit other to that to vilify a group of people. >> and you know, i sat down with this guy, will wriam johnson. he fits that definition explicitly because he like so many in the alt-right would like to see white ethno state. what would you say to those people, who say they're victimized by people who hate them, who want to sensor their right to free speech. the group complains of being kicked off of online platforms. >> well, you know, that's just part of their larger narrative. the lie that, this lie about white general they call it. it really has more to do with the shifting

and the splc is total [ bleep ]. what is a hate crime?anyone on the alt-right instigated violence, i would dissociate myself with them totally. the antifa is instigating violence constantly, and they aren't just instigating violence against me. they're instigating violence against random people in trump hats. >> when they attack your rights, you fight back. >> speech is not violence, and violence is not speech. >> reporter: well, words are powerful. >> words can change the world. a word is not a bullet. >> reporter: while spencer yearns for a white homeland, macaulay dreams of an anarchist utopia. >> you want to deconstruct government -- >> i would like to actually bring power back to the people. we need to bring power back into our communities and neighborhoods. >> good luck. >> not if we have any last little breath. >> you're not going to stop us. because you don't matter. >> yes. we will stop you. >> ultimately peep like me give meaning to your life. >> guess what? i wouldn't care about you -- >> you wouldn't have a life without me --

. >> reporter: the splc hasn't been able to find anglin or serve him with the lawsuit. but we spoke with his attorney. >> it is distasteful. but the first amendment tolerates distasteful content. he has a right to express himself politically, to express himself socially, and to call people to action. >> never thought i'd ever see myself with a yellow star. >> reporter: francine rosston is the local rabbi in whitefish. she says she and her family were also targeted in the same troll storm. >> anytime you invoke holocaust language and holocaust symbolism, you're invoking a narrative that is calling for the destruction of the jewish people. that person wearing a star is eventually supposed to end up in the crematoria. >> reporter: this is not the first time anglin has been accused of rallying his followers against a victim. erin schrode says she was one of his victims. >> there were thousands of messages i got across these platforms. >> reporter: the 26-year-old was running for congress in northern california when she says anglin zeroed in on her. >> i saw an e-mail. me wi

. >> heidi beiric, who tracks hate groups for the splc agrees with the former skinhead, pitchalini. > is false to think people in the white supremacist movement are poor people living in trailer parks with no education. >> he takes it further. saying no one should be surprised at support for president trump from white supremacists inweekend. do you think white supremacists look at donald trump and feel affirmed? >> absolutely, 100%. the anti-immigrant, anti-refugee talk. and the idea to put america first. those are all things we talked about 30 years age it resonates just as deeply with the people who are in the vement. >> this past january, the obama administration, gave pitchalini's group, $400,000 to continue its work battling hate groups. in june the trump administration told them, tra nt tntha gnk h yhoou a, nyjim. the cbs "overnight news" will be right back. don't let dust and allergens get between you and life's beautiful moments. switch to flonase allergy relief. flonase outperforms the #1 non-drowsy allergy pill. when we breain our bodies react by overproducing 6 key inflamma

>> that's total [ bleep ] and the splc's total [ bleep ]. what is a hate crime?e myself with them, totally. >> have you then? >> antifa is instigating violence constantly and they aren't just instigating violence against me, they're instigating violence against random people in trump hats. >> when they attack your rights, you fight back. violence, and violence is not speech. >> reporter: well, words are powerful. >> words change the world.llet. >> reporter: while spencer yearns for a white homeland, macauley dreams of an anarchist utopia. >> you want to deconstruct government, so that you don't -- >> i would like to, actually, bring power back to the people. we need to bring power back into our communities and neighborhoods. >> good luck. >> not if we have any last little breath. >> you're not going to stop us. because you don't matter. >> yes, yes. we will stop you. >> ultimately, people like me give meaning to your life. you care a lot about me. >> guess what? i wouldn't care about you -- >> you wouldn't have a life without me. >> actually, i'm sorry, guess wha

. >> reporter: the splc points out that white supremacists have showed up to "patriot prayer" rallies before and "patriot prayer" invited the often armed anti-government oath keepers to provide security on saturday. >> the "patriot prayer" group says they are not white supremacists or nazis. they're diverse. people just show up. how can they be held accountable for it? >> they are accountable for it. >> reporter: she disagreed with the park service's interpretation of the constitution. >> giving them the ability to cry wolf in a crowded theater. we're all committed to our constitution and freedom of speech, god knows, in san francisco. but not to endanger people. so the park service has to balance their ability to protect with their misguided view of the constitution. >> reporter: barbara lee is focused on preventing files. >> we have to keep our people, cities, counties safe. but the free speech of anyone is something that we all agree on in terms of first amendment rights. >> reporter: now, we keep hearing the term, you can't yell fire or wolf, in a theater. but that's not actually

only 100 fewer organizations than the 1,018 in 2011 which was the all-time high in the 30 years that splc made their count of data noting by far the dramatic change in the anti-muslim hate groups from 34 in 2015 to 101 last year. that's 197% increase. the neo-confederate groups rose 23 to 45 groups. why do you see the rise in that chart, specifically over the past three years? but since the turn of the century. jack's up first, providence, rhode island, on that line for 30-50-year-olds. ack, good morning. caller: this is a problem both on the left and on the right. more and more people are feeling -- i'm not in this situation, fortunately -- economic insecurity. and no matter how we'll say the country's doing right now, as far as jobs coming back, the money is being held by a select group of international financial elites that are on the show. now they're primarily left of center people, actually. they're primarily in new york, on wall street. and they're in hollywood. they're also in london. and they're in zurich. host: do you think this financial insecurity makes people sort of retreat

this incident was not only white supremacist but he was also ex-military, he was well known to the splc, the edl and the fbi. despite all that, he was able to legally purchase a firearm and three extended clips six days before the incident. what my question is is, what are we doing to prevent and intervene in the growth of far right extremism? i caught myself. far right extremism and white supremacist sympathizers. >> i say there's a couple things. first of all, i remember you. i remember meeting you at your dad's funeral. and you know -- you have my condolen condolences. i've been working with your community to make sure that the kind of bigotry that you have experienced, i know your community's experienced it, what i was especially pleased in oak creek is how this community has just poured out its support with the sikh community and how the sikh community was so forgiving. just like heather heyer's family, they called for healing and forgiveness and you set such a beautiful example five years ago as you do today. sam linda and brian murphy, the two officers who stopped that sam and br