the main cover-up is this was not a spontaneous operation. it was a planned terrorist attack. what we learned this week when the emails were finally released by the white house, under pressure, because they had been leaked, what we learned is the c.i.a. which had first in its very first sentence, had said we believe that this was a spontaneous attack based on what was happening in cairo. >> which remained in every single version of the talking points. gwen: which turned out to be true. >> not necessarily. no. the video portion, the idea that the video is what inspired it -- gwen: right. >> may be untrue. they believe it's untrue. the idea that it was spontaneous, that is, that the people who perpetrated the attack may have decided to take advantage of that moment that has not been disproven. >> here's the point to me which i learned from reading all these emails and reporting afterward, if you want to lift the veil on how government doesn't work, number one, look at these talking points. all these people weighing in and you finally end up with a bowl of mush which might be act

initially it was a spontaneous reaction. >> so fast forward, mr.sunday talk shows and ambassador susan rice. she blamed this attack on a video. in fact, she did it five different times. what was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw dropped. i was embarrassed. >> they never talked to the number one guy on the ground before they went on those shows? >> sean, the guys on the ground, nobody mentioned the video. where did the video come from? the video was drawn up and dug up and fabricated and put forward as the excuse why the administration was unprepared, why it didn't have things in advance to handle the situation. this is a complete coverup. i mean, where did this story of the video come from? >> gentlemen, gentlemen. sean, they say apples and oranges. this is like apples and zucchini. if you asked me what was worse, iraq or benghazi, i would say let's have that conversation. >> ted kennedy said it -- stop. >> we have a president that was impeached, that was a criminal, and that asked other individuals under him -- leslie, leslie, let me

we see synchronization as an emergence of spontaneous order in systems that most naturally should beisorganized. and when it emerges, there's a beauty and a mystery to it, qualities that often can be understood through the power of mathematics. how does a symphony orchestra play in sync and harmony? the answer is obvious: the group consists of humans who have the capacity to read music, listen to each other, and follow their leader. but what about a group with no leader or sheet music? like a jazz jam session? itstill perform in sync, each performer working off the cues of the others, synchronized via spoken or unspoken communication. what about schools of fish or flocks of birds? how do they know when to turn left, turn right, move higher or lower, perfectly in sync, each adjusting its movements instinctively, somehow highly sensitive to what its neighbors are doing? while the orchestra and marching band work in a premeditated, planned, even calculated order, the flock of birds and school of fish, they move in unison by a phenomenon called "spontaneous biological order." in their co

nobody said this was spontaneous.er her of a spontaneous demonstration, oh, let me pull out a rocket propelled grenade out of my back pocket, i happen to be here spontaneous, but that's what they told us. my conclusion is they did this because it goes against their narrative, they were two months out after presidential election, and they purposely, willingly lied to you, all the people watching this program, the american people, so they could get elected and maintain power? that's what happened, juan. let me hear you say it. >> here's the thing, sean. you have a case to make that the obama administration did not handle this well -- >> no, they lied. they changed the talking points. >> but when you start with the conspiracy theory, when you go banana as like that, there was a decision made -- the head, director of national intelligence, that is a directive that we gave -- >>. >> if i had a picture of barack obama on videotape robbing the bank and he robbed a bank and it was on video and you told me, well, he was going

the notes still say it was a spontaneous attack.here was initially their assessment and it was wrong. on the terror one, why didn't the president call it an act of terror. remember -- the fact is, he did call it an act of fer ror. he did it in public and on tape, which finally puts this one to rest. >> no act of terror should ever shake the resolve of this nation, alter that character, or clips the value that we all stand for. >> you didn't an act of terror right away. as for this one, as for why the military did not respond to "stop the attack," the military themselves has also answered that one. the secretary of defense answered back that way. >> there was not enough time given the speed of the attack for armed military assets to respond. >> so that's why the military did not respond. they could not get there in time, so says the military. so that leaves this one. talking points were sent around to the fbi, the state department and the white house. the e-mail change showing the initial draft of those talking points and e-mail proc

but this phrase spontaneously inspired by the protests at the u.s. embassy in cairo. that crucial phrase is here in every iteration. in these e-mails, no one questioned it. it is unclear if anyone questioned it separate from these e-mails that have been released. obviously, knowing the conversations around that designation is absolutely crucial. we do know, though, that initial version of the talking points stated, i want to quote it here, "we do know the islamic extremists with ties to al qaeda participated in the attack." now the final version of the talking points as we can see here in the e-mails a much shorter version, reads this way, "there are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations." those may sound similar to you. let me be clear about the difference. the word attack is now the word demonstrations which is obviously very different. and the words al qaeda are not there. now the white house has long maintained that it made only one edit which by the way it is very clear that edit main by ben rhodes is here. a stylistic change, not

multiple factors is planning to a mass gathering either is a scheduled event or the spontaneousness event spontaneousness is not the way i want to get in the middle of whether it's a private vendor it's a primarily back up. what prior events is similar in 9-1-1 system what metrics the mass departments are going to be doing. the primary response to the responses. an analysis of the venue potential for problems from past events and jurisdiction responsibility and what kind of 0 assets we might need. the complexity of the event the legal factor specialized equipment and weather is considered. usually, we have departments that bring us together. this is a quick form that my deputies use whatever level it is what type of management structure and how many leadership roles we need to provide. and we have to follow the policy for minimum resources. those are some of our equipment. are those are our gators they can get folks transported to the hospital. had this is the multiple causality unit and also they, work backwards. our -- it's a coincides i used to work there. one of our rescue ballots and

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evolved into somethi everything knew didn't have anything to do with the attack, it was somehow spontaneous. and that's what the president was telling the world via the u.n. few weeks later when everybody knew it wasn't true and jay carney are saying these are stylist stick changes, they were substantial substantive changes. what do you think is worse, the before, the during or the after part? seems to me the coverup always makes it worse. >> they tried to cover it up by constructing a false story, claiming there was confusion about what happened in the benghazi compound. there was no confusion. it was obvious as soon as we got

they want to obscure what had happened and to spin it as a spontaneous thing rather than a rror attack. and the neglglect, if that were the fact that came out. that is why it is not only aturf war, it was a turf war over a story. the story was intended in order to cover the neglect and dereliction of the state department and of the government in protecting its own people. >> can i associate myself with the remarks of mr. thomas? this is an airbrushing of the report. it was a turf war between the cia and the state department and the truth be known, it was not an embasassy, it was never an embassy. it was a cia office in benghazi. we did not want to advertise that. that is why the ambassador was there, and w we did promise this was going to be the most open and transparent administration in history. i think liberals and conservativeves would acknowlede the pmise has not been kept. >> this thing got off track by the critics. first of all, susan rice s at fault. shwas misleading the american people. she was not doing ything of the sort. this is something that came to her. she got a copy of

spontaneous creation, and the emergent phenomenon. that means you do not really know what is going to be there. we fund art, but that is only a fraction of the art that happens. we had a guy a few years ago show up unannounced with a 10- story modular skyscraper. i just want to see what is going to happen. [laughter] >> speaking of what is going to happen, looking at the activities going on around the monumental art, the people that are in this emancipated state of mind, how does it stack up to the average city, as far as number of injuries and such, in that window of time? >> it is a remarkably safe place, actually. there is no pavement. [laughter] and you cannot drive your car. that eliminates most injuries right there. it may feel like the world is coming to an end when the dust rises and the colts the world, but it is not. it is true, your habitation could blow away if you do not secure it. but that is not the end of the world. [laughter] in terms of public safety, it is very -- and we have emergency response times that would be t

to talk about hateful videos and spontaneous demonstrations? why is it we didn't have the assets in the region to be there in a 7.5 hour fight when the last two were killed in the last hour. there are so many questions that still haven't been answered. hopefully this hearing will clear some of this up. but the administration has stonewalled on this issue as far as information is concerned. >> rose: why do you think they're stone walling? >> i think at the time we were in a presidential campaign, the narrative of the obama campaign was obama -- osama bin laden is dead, al qaeda is on the run, they've been decimated, that's what susan rice said that morning, al qaeda has been says mated. we know full well they're on their way back all over the maghreb. so it fit into the narrative of the presidential campaign that this was just read by a hateful video rather than al qaeda involvement and that -- how these talking points pwhar nip lated is still something that's not clear but one thing is clear they left out reference to terrorists or al qaeda out

not upo spontaneous. 12 edits. sound like a coverup to you? >> i think you think it sounds like a coverup, sean. >> sean: i asked you what you think. why remove references to a terror attack? a particular group tied to al-qaeda and then totally removed and out of no where out of thin air the other excuses come in? doesn't sound like a coverup to you? >> i don't know if you have been part of anent agency process. this was led by the cia and the darrell issa investigation he is known as a good attack dog. nobody really thinks that he is this kind of watch dog public servant treeing to get to a sober fact finding mission. people know he is motivated be politics and this is not the way to honor the four dead americans. >> sean: you are not the answering the question. >> sure. >> sean: jay carney saided only stylistic changes were made. if you removed it was a terror attack and remove removed remoa and it was spontaneous and related to a you tube video is that a minor stylistic change or a major edit two months before an election to help get your p

well, it wasn't spontaneous, it wasn't related to a youtubeqxáz video.t hire. without. >> one thing you didn't mention is the brits pulled out because of the threat. >> that's correct. >> and these people on the ground in benghazi requests additional security. and it was wasn't provided. first responsibility is if you are going to put people in place, you provide security for them. and if not you remove them. you don't have to keep them there. you can do something else like the britts did. i think the narrative that they -- that evolved, what happened on the ground didn't fit the narrative. and the narrative overcame the facts. >> why do i think if this was you and george w. bush, that leading into an election, it would have been a lot different coverage? >> well, i'm inclined to agree with you. but, in fact, i do agree with you. [laughter] >> it is the truth. that's the way it works in our country. >> but the president was told about 4:00 in the afternoon, and from what we've heard from leon panetta and secretary clinton, he wasn't curious, he didn't as

it was very spontaneous. the groups who knew what they needed, because they are doing building -- they do not have any resources. they just went down there to mississippi and started doing things. they ended up rebuilding housing, a buddhist temple that was a block away. joan baez was there that year saying -- she was singing one of her anthems. amazing grace. people started day fund, they started to collect money out there. that was just the beginning. we got a call from somebody asking, is dpw doing this? we said yes. i have $50,000, i will support it. we are a private group. this is not tax deductible. we do not care. and they rebuilt some houses. the problem with most people is they could not even teardown their homes. but this is the burning man twist. i love telling this story. being who they were, the culture, at the end of each day, the landscape was strewn with debris. you have to seeing the pictures. they gather up the debris, at night, they turn it into a bonfire. that is part of our culture. then

ambassador susan rice went on the sunday talk shows to say the attacks were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the u.s. embassy in cairo which were over an offensive you-tube video about mohammed but thanks to jonathan carl we now know that the original c.i.a. memo said their best guess was that the attacks were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the u.s. embassy in cairo as did every other version of the memo. that does not help my argument. so forget that part. just remember this. they took out any mention of al qaeda and removed all the c.i.a. warnings of imminent threat. bottom line. susan rice went on the sunday shows and, for political reasons, was not completely accurate about something in the middle east. you would never see a republican do something like that. folks, benghazi isn't even the best. i mean, worst scandal to hit the administration today. >> the white house also had to respond today to another fire storm. the admission by the i.r.s. that it gave extra scrutiny to organizations with the words, quote, tea party or, quote, patriot in their titles when t

it says the attack may have been spontaneously inspired by the u.s. embassy in cairo and evolved into a direct assault on the u.s. consulate and that quote, we do know that islamic he can supreme mists -- extremists anticipated in the attack. at least five others involving benghazi, and that quote, we cannot rule out that individuals previously surveyed the individuals and the final version of the talking points, after numerous revisions produced on september 15thth, removed all references to extremists or al qaeda or premeditated... >> benghazi was the result of a respond stain house in -- spontaneous addition five-days following -- five days following the attack. it was then done by the then cia director after a meeting at the white house. question, was there any foreign policy done by thish wants of the -- issuians of the furious talking points? >> this was the ultimate collapse of a conspiracy theory and the e-mails showed susan rice was not any part of the talking debate. the previous republican attacks have been proven to be spurious. it was the

twelve points later the truth was removed and this huge lie about a youtube video and spontaneity wasted. how does that happen? >> even go back to the beginning. the brits knew there was a danger and they pulled their people out. the people in the united states in benghazi knew that there was a danger and asked for additional security. >> and the cia warned them. we learned that last week. it was a terrible tragedy and people lost their lives and the way it's been handled since then has compounded the problem. the first rule of something like that is to gather the facts and then inform the american people. >> tell them the truth. >> yeah. >> don't we deserve the truth? >> well, in our system we have to tell the truth. >> before they denied the request for assistance and during we have two separate stand down orders and we still don't know where they came from. can you imagine americans under attack, other americans ready to risk their lives to help them and nobody goes? >> that's why the hearings have to go forward. they will have to call the people up, they will have to find out prec

it wasn't spontaneous, wasn't related to a you tube video.know of, edition of the talking points. it evolved into that lie. how big of a scandal is this? >> they say truth leads a horse back and are returns on foot. and it's damaging. the -- i haven't heard a person who had knowledge of the event who described it that way. nobody, nobody. nobody thought it's a demonstration i had heard, anyway z nobody thought that it was related to the you tube video. >> yes. >> sean: let me go to the shot of the president and joe biden on the campaign trail. they're claiming al qaeda is no longer a threat. we've got to see through through the prix of time and election upcoming and forth coming. let's listen to this and see if it has impact on the lies they've told. >> most of al qaeda's top lieutenants have been defeatsed. >> i said we'd go after bin laden if we had a clear shot at him, and i did the goal is now within our reach. >> thanks to air force personnel who did their part, osama bin laden is no longer a threat to our country. we put al qaeda on the

it wasn't some sort of spontaneous demonstration that occurred similar to what occurred at the u.s. embassy in cairo. >> that's right, wolf. pretty much everyone who we spoke to on the scene from security guards, libyan security guards to other individuals who happen to be at the consulate compound during the attack all said that it happened instantly and happened simultaneously from multiple different directions. there was no doubt in their mind that this was some sort of a coordinated complex attack. when we arrived on scene, of course, the consulate was burnt. it had been largely looted. it wasn't secured as a crime scene. we were able to spend a few hours on the ground there finding of course as you mentioned the ambassador's diary that was lying close to his bed along with other sensitive items as well. and journalists even days and weeks later were able to access the compound and also come up with other sensitive items. it took the fbi weeks to arrive on site and do whatever they could to salvage bits of information. it's also important to look back at the landscape of libya p

it says that the benghazi assaults may have been quote spontaneously inspired by the protests of the u.s. embassy in cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the u.s. consulate. it also said, quote, we know that islamic extremists with ties to al qaeda participated in the attack. it also cites at least five other attacks against foreign interests in benghazi and that we can not rule out that individuals had previously surveiled the u.s. facilities. the final version, after numerous revisions produced at 12:13 p.m. on september 15th kept the concept of a spontaneous demonstration but removed references to al qaeda or affiliated groups, previous attacks on diplomatic facilities or the possibility of premeditated under surveillance. this page shows how much of it happened. handwritten changes ordered by deputy cia director michael morell after a white house meeting september 15th. top cia officials told us his changes consequence dentally expressed those by top state department officials. senior u.s. officials told us the cia did not want to compromise the fbi investigation into

probably a smart idea. >> doesn't just spontaneously come bust. something causes it.ething has to happen. medal, sunlight, fire ones. >> sunshine and heat won today. not bad above normal. you were in the low 90s. what was different was san francisco hitting 88 degrees downtown. new record, sfo89. you made it up to the mid 80s. that is 25 degrees above what is normal this time of year. tonight, we're not going to cool off that much. it will be a mild night in the south bay. san jose do to 61. mountain view 63. napa, 53 degrees. the cooling trend will begin tomorrow. not as hot in piedmont and the oakland hills. a high of 80 and cool down more with mainly sunny skies. so not a fan of the hot stuff, this is good news for you. the storm track is changing. high pressure is moving and the on shore flow is returning coming up tomorrow. here's the deal. lots of cold air. it was shoved out of shore again. it begins tomorrow. highs with l be in the mid to low 60s. now by saturday and sunday, that's gone. close enough to us that we get the on shore flow. it will be close enough

and at first the obama administration called that spontaneous drotion that got out of control. that was never true. and with new testimony from three key whistle blowers this past week, some lawmakers are now calling the white house's actions an all-out coverup. among them, arizona republican senator john mccain. >> i would call it a i would call it a coverup in the extent that there was willful, removal of information which was obvious. it was obvious. i was on another sunday morning show after susan rice my jaw dropped. i said, look, people don't bring rocket propelled grenades and mortars to spontaneous demonstrations. >> harris: changes made to the official talking points certainly the administration's take on what happened. information our ambassador to the united nations susan rice repeated over and over to the american public on multiple talk shows in the days that followed at attack altered a dozen times. several references to al qaeda, extremism all removed. meanwhile, democratic senator dianne feinstein of california admitting the talking points were, in fact wrong bu