here's how the mayor of springdale, utah, home of zion national park, is reacting to these firings and cuts. >> if it's the employees. >> that are gone. >> i'm not sure how the park could stay open. >> it would be chaos. >> in there. >> the park needed more. >> funding anyway. it was. there's a lot of deferred maintenance that hasn't been done. >> it's the. >> second most visited park in the country. and if that's not worth preserving and and throwing some money out, i'm not sure what is. >> joining us right now is kristin. she's a senior vice president of government affairs for the national parks conservation association, the leading independent, nonpartisan membership organization devoted exclusively to advocacy on behalf of the national park system. kristin, thanks for coming in. what what are you hearing right now from public lands and parks workers? who's impacted by these cuts? what are they saying? >> they're distressed. >> they think the national parks. >> aren't going. >> to function well this summer and spring break. and the people that we're losing are. critical staff with e