you squeezable at one-sided pops out the other.ssue of needing to work in partnership is not something that comes so easy to everybody. you need to navigate the field of government and civil society, having a longer-term view when there are lots of pressures on you the pointer to the shorter term. some people have more capability to move these boundaries and overcome that than others. you to help each other. we have a lot of initiatives. francine: next, we continue the conversation with paul polman, the ceo of unilever, about leadership and key values. paul: to me, a leader is not just because i have this job. a leader is somebody who leads from the back like a shepherd with the sheep. francine: more on the interview, next. ♪ ♪ francine: welcome back to leaders with me, francine lacqua. unilever is one of the top companies the world work for a -- one of the top companies in the world. this is the final part of my conversation with paul holman, we discuss leadership. paul: leaders are not relegated to a level of the company. for exa