as opposed to srf. the cost of applying for srf, you may have to utilize services from a consultant which adds to the cost. and that's typically not the case with the rural development process. >> okay. mr. selman. >> we've been able to use some srf money. our engineer takes whatever they allow as that consultant amount. whatever they allow for an attorney, an engineer or whatever. he does the paperwork for whatever that is. and they've got that specified in the loan. and we've been able to -- i know certain regions. maybe not. but we've been able to take advantage of sfr money. we've been having trouble getting money through rural development. >> thank you, mr. selman. my time has expired. but mr. keegan, do you want to respond? >> we've had trouble accessing funds from either program. in new york state a lot of funding goes to communities that have some sort of citation, some problem with their system. engineers work very hard to keep our systems smooth running. so we're sort of at the bottom of the p

some of my systems we have used on srfs.e're drilling a well right now on one of the systems because it depends on what area you're in in the state. but we were having trouble through rural development getting a timely process to get money to drill this well and it was needed. the town of monticello. we got a state revolving fund grant for a sewer project right now we just completed. in our district, in our part of the state we've used it. and it's helped. but the usda seems tore more of a grant. some communities can't afford a loan and the grant helps them. >> my time's expired and i know mr. stewart wanted to answer but i want to go to mr. tonko, who's recognized for five minutes. >> thank you for calling this hearing and for inviting a witness from the 20th district of new york. mayor keegan, i appreciate you make the trip here today. drinking water systems in the district i represent and i think every district across the country are facing significant challenges as they work tone sure that everyone including people in sm

we don't have the money in the srf. and what i was particularly pleased about was the president this year actually maintained for the most part the funding from the previous year as compared to what we've seen in the past where the year before he made a 40% reduction in the srf because they said the priority was climate change. they thought climate change was a higher priority than funding our water problems in rural america. i hope someone has seen the light with that. but i'm confused a little bit about the regulatory burden. because particularly a lot of you have been talking, this hearing is about rural america, not what's been offered as we've got to be concerned about the big cities. i'm worried at this hearing that we stay focused on rural america. because here's just a listing of some of the rules. i've designed a lot of sewer and water lines. as an engineer i'm quite familiar with this. but we've got things that a small city has to take care of is the arsenic rule, the chemical rule, lead and copper rule, urani

the whole srf, not just the technical assistance piece. the technical assistance piece is less than 2% of the whole pot. for disadvantaged communities, they will provide additional support and most funding goes out as loans. for disadvantaged communities states are authorized to provide zero interest loans or principal forgiveness. small customer bases this is incredibly important. unfortunately states are not currently required to profide this assistance and not all do. it may be getting more scarce in coming years as the overall infrastructure need continues with overall funding. to address toxic algae, i'm pleased that the chairman is now addressing another important issue and that our responsibility on drinking water is comprehensive. we should absolutely do what is necessary to ensure they have safe water, and also protect the other 92%. insure that fracking is doing correctly, dressing drought and planning for climate change. i look forward to more drinking water hearings and more legislative solutions. thank you mr. chairman. >> the

whether it is that epa for srf or usda for rural development funds. dr. moniz: let me just mention something, but the power of these grants that can allow good planning are a great example of what we were involved in. we were with new jersey and it involved a novel approach to a micro-grid to support a resilient transportation corridor. we did some cost sharing to develop the plan, and that was successful at dot for literally hundreds of millions of dollars to rebuild that infrastructure. so these are the kinds of creative ideas that we certainly are looking for in terms of new approaches to resilient energy infrastructure. in this case supporting a transportation corridor. mr. rogoff: that is a very good example, because that grew out of the disaster of hurricanes and the and our relief money we got to address hurricane cindy. and a lot of people do not know this, many of the transit tunnels and highway tunnels that flooded after hurricane sandy had just flooded a year earlier under hurricane irene. less newsworthy but it makes the point if we are going

but also the president has requested a significant increase over last year's request in the area of srf. and we're looking at new ways of continuing to support water and waste water infrastructure not just in terms of helping with resilience and helping you look at how to do integrated planning and green infrastructure but we have also recently announced the creation of a water infrastructure and resilience finance center. that's a way to have one place you can go to think about whether there are creative financing opportunities that will bring private sector dollars to the table. really build public-private partnerships because we know that the money that we have in the public sector is not going to be able to get the job done that we're seeing. because there's $600 billion in water infrastructure need out there over the next 20 years. we have to pump it up and find new ways to finance it. we're also moving forward this year to lay the platform for our center under wfia. because that's an important opportunity to take advantage of creative financing that the transportation agencies hav

recognizing the need for water infrastructure, the srf and related efforts are funded at over $2.3 billion and we will work with our partners to help communities by focusing on issues such as financial planning for future public infrastructure investments and expanded efforts who w states to identify fiennesing opportunities for resilient drinking water water and storm water infrastructure. last month, the agency launched the water infrastructure and resiliency finance center. it's a key component of our expanded efforts moving forward. we're proposing a multifaceted effort to help our communities including low income neighborhoods, rural communities, and communities of color. this includes targeted funding in on-the-ground community assistance through epa regional coordinators and a network of circuit riders. an investment of $16.2 million will help local communities improve safety and security at chemical facilities to prevent and prepare for oil spills. these efforts represent a shared commitment among those with a stake in chemical facility, safety and security ranging from facility ow

and we're also significantly boosting our contribution to drinking water srf funds.because we know that it's not just about thinking of these things. it's about actually supporting it, bringing÷[cvñ dollars to the table. and we're really excited about the new finance center as well and our ability to bring private dollars to the table. this is an economic challenge that isn't just the responsibility of the federal or local or state governments. this is a responsibility of the business community as well. >> ladies time is expired. >> sorry. thank you. >> i also want to welcome our former colleague. i might say since he's left, i don't think the republicans have won one baseball game. this time i like to recognize the gentleman from pennsylvania mr. murphy for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. welcome here ma'am. >> thank you. >> when the epa came out with their rule on new source performance standards you cited a number of examples to show the epa standards are feasible. i want to run over some of these examples. like you to just respond with a yes or no if yo

recognizing the need for water infrastructure, the srf and related efforts are funded at over $2.3 billionh our partners to help communities by focusing on issues such as financial planning for future public infrastructure investments and expanded efforts with states to identify financing opportunities for resilient drinking water, water and storm water infrastructure. last month, the agency launched the water infrastructure and resiliency finance center. it's a key component of our expanded efforts moving forward. we're proposing a multifaceted effort to help our communities, including low income neighborhoods, rural communities, and communities of color. of color. this includes targeted funding and on the ground community assistance through epa regional coordinators in a network of circuit riders. an investment of $16.2 million will help local communities improve safety and security at chemical facilities to preprevent and prepare for oil spills. these represent a shared commitment among those with a stake in facility security ranging from facility owners to first responders. this will l

than happy to reach out to you and make sure that you have the right connections, whether it's epa for srffor usda for world is. >> this is now d.o.t. folks collaboration. and a great example we were involved in. get involved to support a brilliant transportation. we did some car sharing to develop the plan and now successful for hundreds of millions of dollars to rebuild that infrastructure. these creative ideas that we are looking for in terms of new approaches to resilient energy infrastructure in this case supporting transportation corridor. >> it is a very good example because that went throughout the disaster of hurricanes and the kind of money we got to address hurricane stan knee. importantly, a lot of people don't know this. many, many of the transit tunnels and highway tunnels under hurricanes and he had just flooded a year earlier under hurricane irene. far less newsworthy. but it makes the point of increasing frequency when the president provided the money for hurricane sandy, he made the point attack payers should not have to pay to clean up these critical facilities time and

we're also, the president has requested a significant increase over last year's request in the area of srf. we're looking at new ways of continuing to support water and waste water infrastructure not just in terms of helping with resilience and helping you look at how to do planning and green infrastructure but we announced the water infrastructure and water finance center. that's a way to have one place to go to think about whether there are creative financing opportunities that will bring private sector dollars to the table. build partnerships because we know that the money that we have in the public sector is not going to be able to get the job done that we're seeing because there's $600 billion in infrastructure need out there over the next 20 years. we have to pump it up and find new ways to finance it. we're also moving forward this year to lay the platform for our center under wifia because that's an important opportunity to take advantage of creative financing that the transportation agencies have found effective and we want to do it as well. we're going to be building up that cent