_ professor devi sridhar, is that not riuht? . . professor devi sridhar, is that not riuht? _ right? yes, but if this was the right run approach to - right? yes, but if this was the right run approach to take, i l right run approach to take, i apologise. —— if this was the wrong approach to take. i wanted my decisions to be as informed as possible. perhaps one of the reasons why in the early exchange i was saying i hadn't slept much, i read extensively from public sources of articles and research studies online. i was trying to understand as much as possible and as quickly as much as possible and as quickly as possible and i took the view that if somebody could help me with that and said me something i would otherwise see... i'm not even sure come up with my apologies to her, that i would have necessarily read everything she sent me because i may have already seen it or i would perhaps not think it was particularly relevant but i had a desire to have as much information in order to deepen my understanding of the situation we were facing as i could. and while there are things

the volume of professor sridhar's - aligned? i... some of what you are reading messages about, and putting to me as coordination was simply, you know, flagging up thing she had said in order that i knew what it was when i was asked about it. i... yeah, i come back to a point i keep making. my come back to a point i keep making. my decisions and judgments can and should be scrutinised. my motives were never anything other than just trying to do the best i could, in a situation that at times, i am sure that every decision felt as close to impossible as i have ever experienced. the focus on the elimination strategy— the focus on the elimination strategy took the scottish goverment's i of the need to prepare for a second — goverment's i of the need to prepare for a second wave, which experts would _ for a second wave, which experts would have — for a second wave, which experts would have told you was inevitable? we knew _ would have told you was inevitable? we knew that a second wave was as inevitable as anything was. ihlo we knew that a

, the first minister— professor devi sridhar, the first minister of wales mark drakeford and former—ichelle o'neill. is northern ireland michelle o'neill. is that _ northern ireland michelle o'neill. is that correct?— northern ireland michelle o'neill. is that correct? yes. you produce no messaues is that correct? yes. you produce no messages with _ is that correct? 13:3 you produce no messages with these individuals is that correct? 133 you produce no messages with these individuals in your first _ messages with these individuals in your first statement, is that correct _ your first statement, is that correct chris neal yes, but i said in the _ correct chris neal yes, but i said in the statement, those messages would _ in the statement, those messages would have been extremely limited. if i would have been extremely limited. if i take _ would have been extremely limited. if i take john swinney for example, if i takejohn swinney for example, it has never been a practice, not just during the pandemic, but generally, to text, i don't think i have ever sent to whatsapp tojohn swinney an

when we looked at your direct messages with professor sridhar. _ your direct messages with professor, when i asked why the messages stopped at the end of 2020, .ave messages stopped at the end of 2020, gave the _ messages stopped at the end of 2020, gave the answer that when the vaccine — gave the answer that when the vaccine arrived, input of the nature i had _ vaccine arrived, input of the nature i had been — vaccine arrived, input of the nature i had been providing with regard to fighting _ i had been providing with regard to fighting the virus was no longer necessary. was it your view, and that of— necessary. was it your view, and that of the — necessary. was it your view, and that of the scottish government, that of the scottish government, that the — that of the scottish government, that the pandemic would soon be over as the _ that the pandemic would soon be over as the result of the arrival of the vaccine? — as the result of the arrival of the vaccine? ., ,. . . as the result of the arrival of the vaccine? ., . . ., vaccine? no. the pandemic, we are no loner in a vaccine? no.

live now to devi sridhar, professor of global public health at edinburgh medical school.mme, thanks for being with us. we've heard from the world food programme about the humanitarian picture in gaza. you wrote a piece in the guardian titled notjust bullets and bombs talking about the global picture. give us a sense of what it's like on the ground in gaza and how that compares to what we've seenin and how that compares to what we've seen in other conflicts around the world. ~ . , , seen in other conflicts around the world. ~ , , world. was seen it complete breakdown _ world. was seen it complete breakdown of _ world. was seen it complete breakdown of the _ world. was seen it complete breakdown of the public - world. was seen it complete i breakdown of the public health system, even things that keep people safe and healthy, protection, access to medical care are not being provided on the ground, and with 85% of the population displaced, it's very hard to deliver the kind of basic measures human needs that humans need to survive, especially in a population that has a large

sridhar: we had a good interview with a former chair of the u penn board.this idea that campuses have faced issues in the past, but for decades, centuries, governance on college campuses has worked. he does not mean you go out there and reinvent the wheel. yes, bill ackman and other significant donors would push for change, but at some point, they will have to figure out you keep pushing for change or acknowledge that the stakes were made and there have been consequences and find a way to move forward? guy: we will wrap it up there. thank you. he joins us on what has been happening on college campuses. let's figure out exactly where we are. stoxx 600, 473. down. the food and beverage companies doing ok. volumes pretty much on track, normal volume for a day like today, but we are seeing the cyclical end under pressure. the market gives back more ground, a bit of reaction to what we saw on wall street yesterday. trading at 473. we have come off of the big rally and you have got people saying maybe after such a rally, it is time to take chips off the table. we