. >> obviously in 2009, i mean, i was sitting in the srp bidding in the medical center. i was getting ready to go to the medical processing. all of a sudden i heard someone yell. i look up and saw him shooting his weapon. immediately i was hit in the chest. went to the ground and then i was shot another five times before i was able to get out of the building and get to safety. >> and sergeant luns ford, when you were shot, was there instinct to look for your firearm? did you reach for it? tell us about that. >> well, instantously, that's instinct to reach for a firearm which we did not have. i think to miscreate this from happening again, we need to arm military personnel in the facilities they're working in, especially in duty uniforms. so at least we'll be able to fight back against a threat presented before us. >> and sergeant manning, you were trained to use your firearm. did you look for your firearm and want to have it on you? >> absolutely. it ran through my head so many times. if only we had a weapon or some way to defend ourselves trying to take down the shooter