st. augustine, florida, good morning. >> caller: good morning. one of the things i never hear discussed is hmo programs. i have been on hmo programs since i was a young girl and i am in my late 70s now. when i hear people talking about the free care offered in other countries they don't understand that in those countries, all of my family live in a country in which there is universal or whatever you want to call it, the government takes care of the education of the doctors in exchange for which they gave so many years. in england, ireland and scotland, countries which i am familiar with they get their school paid for. people don't understand there is another component nobody talks about. i think the hmo and clinical system are fine. it isn't fair for us to confuse that. i think some thought should be put into a good clinical system and the idea you have to have your own doctor what nonsense. i know in england and ireland it is a clinical pursuit and you have the doctor who is on call to treat you. you don't have the luxury of going to private doc

st. augustine. there is something more that they're searching for and we all are, every person. in particular these seminaries come from the professions, come from the cost and benefit and their way of looking at the world. they want to give of themselves. that's that surrender of being free and being directedly god and being available in such a way that they can touch others so they might have happy good lives. that's the fundamental seed i think that starts in the men i would say between 25 and 30 years old that come. they come with some talent, some profession even. what is it that you teach them? what do they have to learn? >> some come without philosophy so they'll start with philosophical training to prepare for the theological training. we teach them about church history, theology in terms of the sacraments, theology and anthropology in terms of the human person. we teach them how to preach, pastoral counseling, all the elements of what the priesthood entail are part of our education, especially in those last four years. at st. patrick's we have one year where they actual

st. augustine up to c.s. lewis and martin luther king. ask the great questions, and enlist the assistance of the great thinkers in the enterprise which will be an enterprise in which we subject each other's opinions and arguments to scrutiny, we subject our students' arguments to scrutiny, we encourage our students to subject our arguments to scrutiny with in the end goal of each of us becoming our best critic by internalizing the process to the point at which we can do better than any interlocutor the job of interrogating our own beliefs. and our experience here has been that the effects of that go far beyond a particular classroom in which we have 18 students. in order to make it a seminar we had to limit it to 18, we had to exclude the vast majority of people. and yet our willingness to do that in a very public way sent the very message that i think is at the core of your epiphany. i just want to reinforce what you said to everybody, there is no need to wait around for some external force to act on the universities. we can just decide