he said, quote, when stacey abrams immediately endorsed manchin's proposal, it became the stacey abrams they so freaked out by your track record and what you're doing? is it because trump lost georgia? is it because they lost two seats and power of the senate? what is that about? >> i first think it's deeply disrespectful to his fellow senator joe manchin. joe manchin has demonstrated a remarkable autonomy. the fact that i agree with this offer of compromise and to negotiate, should be seen as a sign of him being a statesman, someone willing to work towards the betterment of our nation, to make sure no matter what your party, your citizenship is protected. that said, i think the challenge we're facing on the republican side is when my name is attached, they have visions of georgia and the change in election outcomes. the reality is we're not guaranteed victory every cycle, but we should all be guaranteed access and guaranteed opportunity. that should not be something that they find so terrifying. in fact, if i were in sthar shoes, i would find my best way to mute me. solve the problem s

immediately endorsed senator manchin's proposal it became the stacey abrams substitute not the> so the questions remain. can democrats come together to pass any meaningful roting rights legislation? judith brown diana and meg an hatcher maze is director of department policy at the advocacy group. judith, what is left out that may cause a resist with progressives? >> so, hi, first. so the manchin compromise has some things in it like making election day a federal holiday. no partisan gerrymandering and move it over to computer generated maps. but it also had has some things in it. it has voter i.d. in it but seems like it's a more flexible voter i.d. which we have proposed in the past, but it had some problems. one of those problems is that it significantly weakens the democrat of justice and their -- when they go after states that have discriminated, and so -- and then it allows local officials to do purging in a much more aggressive way, and so it's a problem. i think a lot of people saw it as a start, including stacey abrams, but at the end of the day, does it matter. the gop

stacey abrams has a future political plans so she knew she was on the wrong side.thinks as she goes to warm, friendly cnn analyze on that station, but we know the truth. she has political ambitions and the whole key here is to inflate the voter's think minorities will vote democrats. look at me. i went to the other side. a lot of democrat minorities are leaving the democratic party. >> judge pirro: that's true. all right, steve and i will go with you with a last question. the idea that stacey abrams never conceded that she lost gubernatorial race in georgia. did she? >> no. and i want to pick up something leo said earlier that is so important. >> judge pirro: go-ahead appearance because they have been calling republicans racist for wanting to ask people to present an i.d. to vote. that is so insulting to african-american citizens and the country. it is so outrageous. stacey abrams was front and center making this argument pushing corporations to make the exact same argument and for her to pretend otherwise is total revision of history. asked to stop. democrats are

but even that part of manchin's compromise got stacey abrams endorsement. that was of. note here is in fact what abrams had to say about manchin's proposal today. >> i am endorsing the fact that we now have a list of priorities and that joe manchin is at the table and he's part of the conversation. i think you makes common sense opportunities available for compromise, it's only going to be through federal legislation that we can negate or mitigate the harm's being created at the state level. >> and remember, here are the stakes. nearly 400 bills that would make it harder for americans to vote have been proposed in 48 of our 50 states. manchin's proposal still needs support from ten senate republicans to pass. it comes as the hill and other media outlets reported majority leader chuck schumer plans to move ahead with a four vote tuesday on the for the people act, also tonight new developments in the investigation into the one sixth riot insurrection and desecration of our capital. today, the department of justice released new police body camera footage from that january 6

thank you very much, stacey abrams.right now. >>> tonight, on "all in." prosecution of capitol rioters continues in the republicans selling the big lie start cashing in, again. >>> tonight, the latest turn in the slow-motion insurrection. then, first, it was the media. then, the democrats. now, his own white house counsel? who wasn't donald trump spying on? with the reporter who broke the mcgahn news. >>> plus. >> everyone in that room, today, understood the shared appreciation, quite frankly, that america is back. >>> as the

please welcome back to the show, stacey abrams. hello, stacey. how are you?"while justice sleeps. last time you were here, it was right before the runoffs in georgia, both the candidates you were supporting won and we talked about you sleeping and i'm just wondering if you managed to take a celebratory nap at the end of those run-off elections? >> i did indeed. but i woke up to voter suppression coming back and forth, so i may not do another nap for a while. >> seth: you are a busy person, and while we have greatly appreciate your efforts in trying to stop the tide of voter suppression laws that are, obviously, a huge problem right now. you also have time to write books. this is very exciting, because this is not your first novel, but it is your first novel with your actual name on it you have written under a pen name before. i'm wondering, obviously, you knew you were the author of those books. was it different writing a book knowing that everyone who picked it up would know it was written by the stacey abrams >> no, i think what was different was knowing th

of course they cover for stacey abrams. they will cover for her toxic hypocrisy slinging around the jim crow and race baiting. it serves democrats interest. interestingly to flush that out for a second, i think the media will enable anything as misleading as it is that furthers serves democrat interest. to that point and that distinction community, a coalition of black community leaders and business owners called out stacy abrams last month for promoting misinformation about georgia election law that lead to the boycotts that harris just mentioned. stacey abrams doesn't speak for the black community. she speaks for the white liberals. >> emily: this is what we're seeing reinforced by the liberal media. >> harris: now she's backtracking. >> kayleigh: yes and stacey abrams doesn't care about facts apparently. just ahead as we see a record smashing surge of migrants crossing the border, why is the white house now giving vice president harris a seventh, a seventh roll when she has yet to conquer her first task of tackling the b

i actually think when stacey abrams immediately endorsed senator manchin's proposal, it became the stacey abrams' substitute, not the joe manchin substitute. >> wade, that to me is the most ridiculous rationale for saying you're against something that we all knew, been done knew you were going to be against to begin with. so your thoughts on senator blunt and stacey abrams? >> well, you know, senator blunt's attempt to demonize stacey abrams' support for the joe manchin proposal is a tactic republicans have used for years in an effort to discredit support for an important piece of legislation. the fact that stacey abrams gave a full-throated support for joe manchin's proposal doesn't mean she supports every part of the bill. she recognizes it's an important building block to protect morn democracy where it is most at risk. after all, jonathan, 14 states have enacted over 22 new restrictions between january and mid-may of this year making it harder for people to vote. the manchin proposal addresses many of those restrictions. and i should point out that those restrictions came from very pa

which is why everybody from colin allred to stacey abrams is supporting it.s is that there's a plan here. and i think at the end of the day, as you know, lawrence, when people have said they're opposed to something, so in joe manchin's case, he's opposed to the "for the people" act, opposed to the filibuster reform, but now he's showing a little openness. there's got to be an exit ramp. i think the exit ramp is what republicans are doing all over the country. they're not hiding what they're doing. they want to change who gets to decide who wins elections, give that power to state legislatures. i think they can say, we didn't want to do this but we were forced to do it because the republicans clearly have their aims on harming, if not ending, our democracy. so i think that the opening act of the play was really today. i'm excited to see what happens next week. >> david plouffe, you have that combination of experience that i could listen to all night, expertise in presidential campaigning, expertise in governing in the obama white house. thank you very much for

it became the stacey abrams substitute and not the joe march be substitute. >> what do you think?er approval hurt manchin's chances here? >> stacey abrams and joe biden, any democrat and any progressive could have come out in favor of joe manchin's proposals and would have said no, and the reality is they are going to say no before joe manchin brought out the proposals. who are we really compromising with. what progress do they want? we see hundreds of bills across the states being pushed and these are reasonable compromises and some of the compromises people are very upset about, ie, voter i.d. laws. there's real concerns there. republican mcconnell made it clear that he was not going to support any type of proposal from joe biden or democrats and he's just staying good to his word. >> and you heard progress i was trying to negotiate with reap conditions is a waste of time. seeing how republicans reacted to what joe manchin put forth here, does that only validate that argument? >> it might validate the argument, but i think it's -- it's an irrelevant argument or moot argument bec

the question of the day for democrats, do you agree with stacey abrams? can you support joe manchin's compromise bill? >> lawrence, this is like christmas come early. this meets the threshold of what we talked about last time i was on your show. number one, it allows americans to register to vote. it allows them to vote early, by mail, and on election day. free from interference. and it makes sure their votes are counted and not diluted through partisan gerrymandering. the first hurdle we had to get over was to get enough democratic votes in the senate, for a voting rights bill. we have that now in this form from senator manchin. and that's the first hurdle. you talked about with the next one is, which is how we get around the filibuster. i think this is a very good development, for anyone that cares about voting rights and we all should. e that >> normally, senior here last night discussing the fact, that joe manchin was caught on tape and what he thought was a private discussions and he is willing to change the threshold in various ways, including an id

and it is amazing to me, because as soon as it came out, that stacey abrams said, i would go with theey, mcconnell and others ran out there and started condemning it, so they would checkmate before we could even say, well, i don't know if we're all the way with stacey on this one or not. it was the perfect set-up that they went for it. it was amazing to me. and i think i have always been one that looked kind of skeptically at joe manchin. i think he's a lot more savvy than one would give him credit when you're two steps away from him. i don't know whether he thought this out, but he has put the republicans into a very bad position and certainly helped those of us who want to see the reconciliation on some things like police reform and other things that are still being debated. we couldn't have had a better ending on this one. >> coming up on "morning joe," ahead of father's day weekend, our next two guests have launched a new initiative to prevent dads from losing their children to gun violence. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ence you're watching "morning joe." we

i actually think when stacey abrams immediately endorsed senator manchin's proposal, it became the stacey abrams substitute, not the joe manchin substitute. >> but here's what i don't get. manchin's compromise very clearly mandates things like voter i.d., which is what republicans have been calling for from the beginning. the actual content is what republicans like. is this just stacey abrams, that's what they don't? yamiche? >> one, thank you for having me. i think it's one of those things where, when you hear from stacey abrams, you have republicans ready to run when they hear her because they know she is the one that delivered georgia, she is the one that called out voting rights and voter suppression. so it's really tough because the moment you get bipartisanship and the people who are focused on voting in the democratic party, chief among them stacey abrams, republicans are looking at their elections and looking at 2022 and saying, we can't tie onto anything that this woman, this very visible african-american woman, have really shaken up the map on when you look at blue and red state

for example, just look at liberals with stacey abrams who is trying to claim she was never opposed to.d. and says she is actually backing democratic senator joe manchin's voting reform efforts, but stacey, we haveki the tape compare what she is saying now to what she said months ago take a look. >> just give me a list of the provisions that you object to. >> it shortens the runoff. from nine weeks to four weeks. it re-restricts absentee ballot. application. and other form of identification they are willing to surrender in order to participate in absentee ballots. >> that is one of the fallacies of republican talking points deeply disturbing. no one has ever objected to having to prove who you are to vote. it has been part of the nation's history since the inception of voting. >> judge pirro: and it gets worse for abrams. one "new york times" writer is pointing out her new position is eerily similar to the georgia voting law that she adamantly opposed and called jim crow 2.0 and biden called jim eagle. remember this? >> this makes jim crow look like jim eagle. this is gigantic! >> judg

joining the manchin compromise on voting right just we'll discuss on the other side. >> i think when stacey abramsediately endorsed senator manchin's proposal it became the abrams substitute, not the joe manchin substitute. >> so phil, forgive me. this is like a real reason but flimsy. is the standard anything that a democrat went near is tainted in terms of legislation? >> brian, i'm at a loss here to try to explain what the senator meant there. ore than to point out that the substance of the proposal is no different whether put forward by senator manchin or stacey abrams. and we should just keep in mind what he is trying to do. stacey abrams is well-known and loved and credited with helping turn georgia into joe biden's column in the 2020 election and getting the two democratic senators over the hurdle in january in the special elections. and yet she is reviled by the sket base, by the republican party seen as activist, seen as threatening to the status quo for republicans and to former president trump in particular and i think blunt was trying to have something of a dog whistle there to conserv

there is no fighter more fierce than stacey abrams for voting rights in this country right now.er she was, i think, unfairly denied the governship of georgia in 2018, after her opponent, secretary of state, encouraged hundreds of thousands of voters from the roles, purged hundreds of thousands of voters from the roles, she didn't gave up and got out there and continued to register people to vote, for voting rights, for everybody, for republicans and democrats and independents and help bring georgia into a true democracy, now threatened by the voter suppression laws signed by the man who beat her unfairly in 2018. so i think she more than anyone i know is helping to bring this issue to a head, and ensure that we pass the for the people act. she is encouraging all of us to call our u.s. senators, and apply that pressure that conforms some political will in that chamber, so that they actually get this done. i'm grateful that senator manchin is back to the table. i'm glad that he is talking to his colleagues. i'm hopeful that that produces a positive vote on tuesday and it ultimatel

i actually think when stacey abrams immediately endorsed senator manchin's proposal, it became the stacey abrams' substitute, not the joe manchin's substitute. >> reporter: mcconnell saying he thinks it contains the same rotten core as did the original for the people act. the difference between this and infrastructure couldn't be broader. this is an issue in which republicans fundamentally believe there's not a role for the federal government to tell states how to run their elections or to change how the fec functions or how candidates raise and spend money in their elections. it's not as though there's a middle ground here on which they could agree for a federal government role. this is something where democrats and republicans are just starkly divided. the tactical victory for democrats is when this bill comes up next week for a vote and it gets defeated, as it almost certainly will, on a 50/50 split, they will at least be able to say, it's the republicans who don't want do this. a long way from any federal election overhaul becoming law. >> garrett haake on the hill. mike memoli at 160

i think a lot of people saw it as a start including stacey abrams, but at the end of the day, does itr? the gop has shown you who they are, they are saying we don't want to compromise, we don't want your bill because the thing we have to remember is that they are the party of states right. they don't want the federal government in the business of making sure that voters are protected against state voter suppression laws. >> that is some important context. megan, that was pretty fast the whiplash going from stacey abrams endorsing mentions compromise to mitch mcconnell and roy blunt coming out and saying yeah, just kidding. senate majority leader said that all 50 republicans would oppose senator mentioned slim down election compromise. do democrats keep falling for the okey dokey? do you think democrats are making the mistake to capitulate to republicans over and over and then nothing materializes? >> right, yeah. that least want to be able to check it off the list that they talked to some republicans and they gave it a good faith effort to get some republican support, but they never d

i think when stacey abrams endorsed manchin's proposal, it became the stacey abrams substitute. >> there randomly throwing staey abrams' name into something that manchin has been working on for potentially months? >> we don't have enough time in this show to unpack everything in that statement. first of all, throwing out stacy abrams' name was clearly a bull horn to the republican party about the fact that black folks need a compromise. but put it into perspective. this compromise was dead on arrival. at the end of the day, it is not just voter i.d., but if we look at some of the things that they are -- that he recommended, it is really about what goes to the heart of the republican party which is states' rights. mitch mcconnell is clear that the feds did not need to be in the business of protecting voting rights. that should be left at the state level. and what they did, what he did in his compromise, that he would weaken the department of justice authority to be in the middle of these voting rights. we know that the biden administration just as they were doubling the lawyers in the vot

i actually think when stacey abrams immediately endorsed senator manchin it became the stacey abramshat a way to undermine an interesting idea. joe manchin faced a lot of criticism. he came up with a compromise republicans might support. not joe manchin's idea, it's stacy abrams and hence republicans can't support that. >> yeah, if we are looking for republicans to support an effort that would make it much harder for them to do what they're doing in statehouses all across this country, we're just being very naive about the political landscape. and to our democracy's detriment. yes, stacey abrams, if she didn't endorse it, it would be a sign they don't want bipartisan ship, if she did endorse it, it's a sign it's a bill republicans can't support. republicans are not willing to support efforts to strengthen the vote. this is clear. we can see this by their voting patterns, what they are doing in georgia where they are removing democrats and people of color from election boards, where they are making it easier to overturn election results. we shouldn't be surprised by this, but we certa

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you have republicans calling this the stacey abrams compromise. to manchin's point here, what progressive democrats are pushing back on him about bipartisanship, you have 14 states that have already passed bills, now laws, that are restricting access to voting. they're doing that without any democratic support. these are all republicans in these states pushing this forward. progressive democrats will push that back at manchin and say why are we waiting? why don't we just act? >> manchin comes from one of the reddest states, west virginia. you have a lot of democrats who say when are you going to use some of your leverage against republicans? >> the big story here is mcconnell. mcconnell stiffed him on the january 6th commission. then he tells all republicans to throw love bombs at manchin. manchin barely finishes his sentence about his compromise proposal and mcconnell swats it away. i think he keeps pushing manchin into the democratic fold. >> can he push him far enough? >> mcconnell is not listening to mcconnell's advice. he's flipped on it. i'l

stacey abrams one of the most active democrats on the issue of voting rights, says i'm willing to go with this. she says let's try to make this work. this is roy blunt. >> i actually think when stacey abrams immediately endorsed senator manchin's proposal it became the stacey abrams substitute, not the joe manchin substitute. >> so a white guy with gray hair is for it, we'll think about it, but once a black woman says it's okay, it's no good? that's -- >> yeah, i mean, the -- >> really just like takes the, you know, takes the cover off, like you see exactly what's inside, which is that there is no serious interest among republicans to deal with anything involving what you might call voting rights. and it was so interesting to hear mcconnell saying, this is a -- you know, a solution in search of a problem, which is literally what republicans across the country are doing by passing voter laws in search of fraud. they are searching for fraud where there is none. they are not interested in going down this road. and yes, actually stacey abrams saying let's talk about it, basically poisons

after stacey abrams endorsed it. after joe manchin said about and good faith tailoring it down and working out negotiation. the abrams enforcement immediately led to republicans running away from it. in fact, this is how republican senator of missouri explained it. >> well we all i think every one of us looks for opportunities to work with senator manchin and we found these opportunities. i actually think when stacey abrams immediately endorsed senator manchin's proposal, it became the stacey abrams substitute, not the joe manchin substitute. >> oh well that's interesting. that's a very interesting thing to say. joe manchin was actually the one who crafted, it joe mention the guy who won the state the trump won the most conservative member of the democratic caucus but it's weird that you would attach it by name to stacey abrams did not show mention who actually rode it just because she went on tv and said fine this is okay. so again, second time in a month just like the january 6th commission right? democrats came to

and there's no suspense about what happened after that clip, after stacey abrams endorsed it, after joe manchin set about in good faith tailoring it down and working up negotiation. the abrams endorsement led to republicans running away from it. in fact, this is how roy blunt of missouri explained it. >> well, we all, i think every one of us looks for opportunities to work with senator manchin, and we found those students. i think when stacey abrams immediately endorsed senator manchin's proposal, it became the stacey abrams substitute, not the joe manchin substitute. >> that's interesting thing to say. joe manchin was the one who crafted it, joe manchin who won in the state that trump won, the most conservative member of the democratic caucus, but it's weird you would attach it by name to stacey abrams and not joe manchin because she said fine, this is okay. so again, second time in a month, just like the january 6th commission, democrats came to the table, they went through what appeared genuine motions of negotiation. joe manchin try today do the bipartisan thing. even before that, w

. >> he's -- >> let's listen to stacey abrams. >> absolutely. what senator manchin is putting forward is basic building blocks we need to ensure, and democracy is accessible no matter your geography. >> does this make progress? >> i think it's very significant that stacey abrams is coming out and saying this and you are hearing other democrats saying let's play ball with making some changes to the john lewis voting rights act and senate 1 bill that is much broader and deals with anti-corruption issues. i do think progressives are, you know, under the microscope here, and many are not okay with watering down on infrastructure and vettingoting rights. in the house, democrats have five votes to play with unless they get republicans onboard and it makes it a very tricky discussion. you are also hearing from democrats, yeah, joe manchin is for all these things, and you heard mitch mcconnell he's not particularly interested in allowing any of his members to go forward and vote for any voting rights bill, and it calls into question whether it is true t

stacey abrams said good things about the bill, calling it a critical step forward. it makes sense.'s negotiating with somebody who hadn't said what he wants. she said, this is a good start. here is what mitch mcconnell said after -- it's two seconds after she said it sounds like a framework we can start with. >> a revised version produced by one of the democrats yesterday, which has been endorsed by stacey abrams, in what is an extraordinarily dubious constitutionality would remove redistricting from state legislatures and hand it over to computers. equally unacceptable. totally inappropriate. all republicans i think will oppose that as well. >> let's be clear, it doesn't matter what stacey abrams would have said. if she said the bill -- the idea is terrible, he would have said, that's why i don't like it. there's nothing -- it's not about her. this is about him. is there any point to having bipartisan conversations about voting rights when you just heard mitch mcconnell say, you will get zero republican votes? >> i think that's just a challenge that joe manchin is happy to accept.

i give stacey abrams credit, and this should be something that can get republican support.why we either need to do away with the filibuster or create a voting rights exception to the filibuster so that we can get this through. it doesn't have to be the whole hr-1 or the campaign finance reforms that i support. let's at least get what they agree on through the united states senate. >> the senate minority leader -- does it give you hope that they will -- >> they demonize women of color and target a woman of color and that's not going to work because in this case you'll have joe manchin -- i don't think there's a person in this country who doesn't think joe manchin's proposals are reasonable and his proposals are the same ones stacey abrams is talking about. most people will talk about that and most people see that as reasonable. >> bottom line. how much trouble does president biden face now in getting his domestic agenda passed, not only in the house but in the senate? >> i think we'll get something on infrastructure. it may not be $6 trillion, but we'll get something with st

and stacey abrams on this show endorsed it as a compromise.sri vealing and telling, which is joe manchin gave republican as lot of what they wanted including voter i.d. which you raised concerns about. then mitch mcconnell stands up and says no way, no how, not anything. what does that tell you? >> that's the obstruction so many americans are frustrated with. we say we can't get things done because we need do things in a spirit of bipartisanship. and when you see compromise, you see a proposal put forward that even stacey abrams, if she can get behind that but mitch mcconnell can't, what is the obstruction really about? you know, 14 house republicans who voted against juneteenth, what is that about? why wouldn't you want to celebrate the america that actually represents freedom since you claim that, you know, black people and minorities were so divisive by focusing on slavery, you have a moment where we focus on freedom and people can't get behind it. so there's an agenda that unfortunately is bigger than democracy, and i don't think that's ac

like georgia where stacey abrams has been working on this issue for years. tonight she joined our first guest beto o'rourke on instagram and made the point that the republican attack on voting rights is an attack on every voter in every state. >> we've got to amplify this so this is a national conversation. they are successful when they convince us it is parochial, only happening to some people. it's only happening in the south. it's only happening to black people. no. this is happening to all of us. we all have to be heard. we are the power. it is not hyperbole. this is not idealism. we have to create such a clamor that to do otherwise, to do anything other than save our democracy from these to use your word pernicious laws is to do a disservice to our country. >> you're so right to point out the effect and the outcome and who ultimately is targeted and who ultimately will pay the price in our democracy. in texas it's black voters, voters of color. it's young voters. it's the very old, those who live in big cities. and i think you also made a great point it

joe biden, stacey abrams, they've cost georgia and georgia businesses an estimated $100 million just by losing the all-star game alone. luckily for joe, stacy, raphael, we have tape of them and by the way, we are happy to refresh the memories. take a look. >> redux of a failed system that's designed to both scare people out of voting and make it harder for those who are willing to push through and make it harder for them to vote. >> did give me a list of the provisions that you objected. >> it shortened the federal runoff. mack it restricts the time of voter to regroup and reform. some sort of identification for them to surrender to participate in absentee ballot process. that's one of the fallacies in republican talking points is deeply disturbing no one's objected to having to prove who you are to vote and it's been part of the nation's history since the inception of owning. >> sean: abrams now saying she's even backing democrat senator joe manchin and the voting compromise that it's actually reportedly would be similar to george's voting log reform that abrams and civic of joe bid

stacey abrams says she is open to manchin's proposal, even the voter i.d. aspect. >> what senator manchin is putting forward are basic building blocks we need to ensure that democracy is accessible, no matter your geography. our point is that the restrictions on the forms of i.d. should meet the needs of the people. and what he is proposing makes sense. >> how big of a deal is that, what stacey abrams is saying, toluse? >> it is a big deal to have someone who has been at the forefront of the voting rights battle on the same page with joe manchin, who just a couple of weeks ago came out against the democrats lead voting rights bill. he's proposed something he sees as a compromise and the fact that he has a wide swath of democrats on board, they're pushing something to stop this onslaught of voting rights restrictions in the states. if they can't get republicans on board, it's a nice thing to have democratic unity, but you still need 60 votes and it's going to be hard to get beyond the 50. just to get 50 votes on something as contentious as voting rights is a

raffensperger literally named stacey abrams in his statement. you heard her become the face of this new republican effort. what do you want to see from democrats to help stop these draconian efforts to keep us from the ballot box? >> you know, when you hear the statements, one, happy juneteenth. but when you hear the statements, what you know is that they have no real intention to pass anything that at best they want to be obstructionists and because of that we absolutely have to -- we have to appeal the filibuster. there's no way around it. it would be no version of that bill that the republicans would actually support. they haven't even presented anything that really would deal with the voter suppression. why? they're leading voter suppression. i think that what we have to do is killy filibuster and we have to pass hr 1 and hr 4. we need if anything, if we saw what happened in georgia yesterday, now in the midst of 100,000 voters getting ready to be dropped from the voter rolls. that's why we need the for the people act. we need the john lewis

how big of a deal is it that stacey abrams is behind manchin's changes here, including voter i.d.? >> i'd say it's significant. i'm curious what other democrats on capitol hill say, particularly progressives who are really concerned about voter i.d. requirements nationwide. i mean, the interesting thing about manchin's bill is, yes, it would -- this compromise. a much narrower bill than what democrats and president biden initially wanted to pass. it would expand early voting. but when it comes to voter i.d.s, and there are democrats who are concerned that is hindrance from some minorities who might not have them to show them at, you know, voter rolls, it seems to be giving republicans something that they want, but also doing a thing that the party in general really wants, and that is expanding early i.d., making sure other people can vote early. so i mean, look. this is a tough issue on capitol hill. lauren was exactly right when she said you need 60. and this is, you know, a far shot from that. at least so far. i think you might pick up a couple republicans with this proposal, but

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what stacey abrams said here is important is democratic unity. that comes down in this case to joe manchin. >> manchin has talked about bringing republicans in. >> right. >> they will come around. and yet here you see his proposal is getting panned. i wonder what the road forward is for joe manchin in this issue and other issues as well. >> there's a big -- if he's going to promise that he's a guy who has to be listened to because he can bring some things around, bring republicans around, this is going to be the testing ground. mcconnell doesn't sound like he's ready to do business with joe manchin because there's enough -- look, this is an area, like what we talked about before, around what's taught in schools. voting rights. this is an animating issue, and unfortunately, so perversely on the right because they are saying that basically the deck is stacked against you, and that it's unfair when, in fact, voting rights is really about republicans saying this is a zero-sum game. if there's more people of color voting we'll lose as republicans. but

he's brought leading progressives, stacey abrams, barack obama with him. and now do you say, since the republicans don't want the big package do we serve up a bill that takes out the things they supposedly don't want? >> right. >> we'll see how that plays out. i think joe has worked this to his advantage at the moment. the question is whether the democratic party has the political strategy on the back end to close the deal. that gets into filibuster and other things, joe. >> it does. but you know, mike barnicle we've said here from the beginning on voting, joe manchin has reversed engineered this, we don't know how but he has. we're moving closer and closer to this is a great compromise position. and then, you know, we heard last week the idea floated, okay. they went from 67 for a filibuster to 60 for a filibuster. maybe they go to 55 for a filibuster. this voting rights bill is going to pass. it's just republicans can figure out how painful they want it to be, but it's going to pass. manchin has figured that out. >> help me out here, all of you are in wa

jon: you mentioned stacey abrams.l with senator john cornyn. listen. >> those laws that were changed in 2021 in response to an increase use of people of color, laws put in place by republicans 15 years ago, they were perfectly satisfied with the utility of those laws until used successfully people of color. >> voter i.d., sometimes it is racist, sometimes it is not racist. >> the intent always matters, sir, that is the point of this information. that is the point of the jim crow narrative. jon: how would you respond to stacey abrams in that particular exchange? >> falsely claiming people of color are going to either not have their vote counted or even worse, not being able to vote is immoral, it is wrong and it is incomprehensible. also anybody who looks at the georgia law again sees that it strengthens security, improves access and transparency to our law. to claim it take us back to jim crow, era where human beings were being murdered, truly prohibited from voting is just unconscionable. and again anybody who looks

i applaud stacey abrams for giving credit to what manchin has done. i join her in that. but that opens up the communication, that starts the discussion. because there are things about the manchin proposal, though there are a lot of good things, there are things that need to be worked on and they will benefit if we sit around the table and maybe we can show manchin that maybe he should two tweak this that a little bit. >> and i have to interrupt you. we have breaking news coming up. a brand new statue, memorial statue, honoring george floyd, george floyd memorial statue has been unstabled in unveiled in brooklyn. you can see this big statue of george floyd. relevant to the conversation we're having, the idea that tease are becoming the statues -- you remember that we were having conversations about confederate statues all over this country. we didn't know george floyd then. we didn't know george floyd was going to become a common name in america. we didn't know that we would be erecting statues to him. but when it comes to the development and advancement of civil rights i

out with his own voting rights bill as an alternative to -- it immediately got the attention of stacey abrams, voting activist. unfortunately it was shut down by mitch mcconnell. host: there is also this headline following the summit that took place in geneva, switzerland. the bar was pretty low for the president meeting with vladimir putin dan asking the question when and how we will know whether or not that summit was a success. what is your timeframe? what will be your measurement in terms of whether or not relations between the u.s. and russia have approved -- have improved? guest: my stance is not so much that we ought to be about improving relations with russia. over the last several decades, each administration seems to have come into office hoping to improve relations with putin only to be disappointed. i think our goal should be clarity, to make very clear to putin where we stand on some of his destructive and undermining efforts vis-a-vis the west. whether it is about hacking mother voting, interfering in our election, and further about his maligned influence around the world. suppo

had stacey abram's attacked manchin's compromise, is mitch mcconnell more open to it?ave went to brad first. >> i thought it was fascinating because stacey abrams endorsed it, we can't touch it now. >> i think she endorsed it with the intent to kill it. >> oh, wow. >> she knows that it has to die in order for her to get what she wants with s-1 and the democrats. >> i'm not that cynical. quite frankly, most of the things in that bill are common sense. you talked about it. these are hard things for republicans, like redistricting. the senator went on to say this takes away the rights of ohioans. no, even 57% of republicans want redistricting to be taken away from these partisan games we play. you and i make our livings from this. the gerrymandering has to stop. we're not even having fair medical elections anymore because incumbents keep winning. >> you want to circle the bernie sanders non-answer on stephen breyer. he wanted no part of that. >> that was a short and distinct answer. >> said a lot without saying a lot. >> that's what i thought too. it's weird. conversation

or that stacey abrams would support it. i think you are seeing many things on capitol hill and you are going to see it all summer. every day is going to be a new day, and we're going to see where things go. >> and congresswoman, i should mention to our viewers that we are trying to work on your audio. we value having you here, so we are going to try to work out the kinks with all of that. on infrastructure, democrats are pursuing two tracks. including a unilateral economic package, that could be as large as $6 trillion. this would require the support of all-50 democratic senators, of course, and nearly-every house democrat. would -- would you support this? >> it -- you know, i -- what i really have to see is what's going to be in it. i'm somebody that believes if you can work in a bipartisan manner, bring people together, the country is sauls better for it. but i'm very worried. we need to be preparing. we have to include things -- i am a very strong supporter and have been working very hard on the electric-vehicle division

the georgia voting bill stacey abrams said was jim crow 2. so you could be a little confused as to what the democrats are actually trying to do here. do you have any idea? >> i will confess i'm always confused whenever stacey abrams is advocating for a radical voting proposal. what the democrats are trying to do. s1 is the democrats' bill to rig our elections forever. they can't pass their unpopular agenda so rather than changing their agenda they want to change the rules of our democracy. it would require universal mailing out of ballots even to people who don't want one. mandate states allow ballot harvesting. activists can come by and ask you if you want to turn your ballot over to them. nothing to stop the radical last-minute changes we saw last year. they make other claims about it that are false. they say it would eliminate gerrymandering. in reality it would give it to democratic operatives. take a look at maryland's map. i know barack obama and nancy pelosi like to saddle up their high horse on gerry manned erg. see what democrats do

stacey abrams, i don't know where she gets the power, she is all over television and she sideways left and -- back and forth. she ruined a lot of things in georgia, believe me. she changed a lot of laws there. she did harvesting votes which i think are illegal. and i want to say one more thing. obama, butt out. your time is out. you already had your day and you divided this country. thank you. >> cliff is next in flint, michigan. cliff on the democrats line. go ahead. >> yes. for the last lady there who commented really quickly, president obama is an american citizen and former president and has every right to speak about this, just like any other american. so many callers are calling in, i'm 60 -- almost 64 years old -- talking about voter id. this is not about voter id. i was born in a little town in arkansas and we moved to michigan in 1968 and my mother had not voted until the 1968 election not because she was too stupid or not intelligent, but because of jim crow. and then finally, what these voter laws actually do, they are not about voter id, my wife is an election official in a

like so many liberals, stacey abrams has strong feelings about voter i.d. laws.s racist, it's a redux of jim crow, in a suit and tie. >> laura: how interesting, given what she just said about the election law proposal from senator joe manchin. >> i was surprised to hear you come out and endorsed senator manchin's legislation, told me about that? >> it's an important step forward as we try to protect the freedom to vote and protect votes, he makes common sense opportunities available for compromise. >> laura: now, why is this a curious development, you may be asking? because the measure that abrams said was racist like 5 minutes ago it is much like the proposal she just gave a thumbs up to. "the new york times" writes, the mansion plans resembles the georgia system in more fundamental ways, including a nationwide voter i.d. requirements. in just a few months, voter i.d. went from jim crow to common sense. what a joke! of course, when cnn pressed abrams on her obvious hypocrisy, her response was more gaslighting. >> you could accept this compromise with the joe man

do you support it as well. >> i heard that stacey abrams supports it.raphael warnock supports it. as a state legislator i don't think it's important for my commentary to rule over everyone else's which is why i'm staying with the people, grassroots communities. the truth is many georgians don't even know about the legislative compromise going on, which in our office, a very progressive office, an office that is on the ground every day, we're not quite sure it's the best way to go either. . . . as we saw senate bill 202, it made it so that you can put in an unlimited number of petitions against someone voter's registration. we have seen dmvs across the state of georgia not funded and open due to covid-19 and not able to serve people over certain ages or disability groups. so no, this is not group. >> before i let you go, representative, let me get your thoughts on juneteenth where president biden just signed it. give us your thought on that historic moment? >> we are proud of this moment for america. we believe this is the right step forward. we want rea

manchin's counter is gaining track on the list with stacey abrams among others and she is signaling pop open necessary to a voter requirement. she will is not in the congress. manchin's efforts compromise alone won't be enough because minority leader mitch mcconnell once again seems to be more intent on blacking like a blockade. on thursday he put it bluntly saying states, not the federal government, should decide how to run their elections. and even if manchin can get his entire party on board with his proposal, that only gets democrats to 50 votes. ten shy. this is not a matter of reconciliation. so what is it really all about? to put up a good showing and still lose, so that the public sees the gop obstruction on yet another major issue like the january 6th commission? or is it deeper? that this time, it will be joe manchin's initiative that fails, so he'll experience the result first-hand, perhaps softening him on the filibuster. after all, this week, audio was leaked to the intercept and manchin wherein said he is open to the idea of reducing the number of votes necessary to end a

stacey abrams and the democrats' evolution on voter i.d. georgia governor candidate voiced her support for voter i.d. last week but listen to what she said a couple of months ago. >> no one has ever objected to having to prove who you are to vote. it has been part of our nation's history since the inception of voting. voters wouft a driver's license or state i.d. risk identity theft just to receive an absentee ballot an the 200,000 georgia voters who don't have i.d. it is fought free when you factor in the cost of transportation and the cost of underlying documents. >> harris: republicans flip-flop, democrats evolve. joe. >> speaking of night and day standards that we just talked about based on party affiliation. she could say her 2018 governor race was stolen. question election integrity and become the most celebrated person in the country who doesn't hold elective office and support boycotts in georgia over its new voting law before being against it to quote john kerry in this situation, after hurting small businesses, local businesses, m