you went after stacey abrams. does that sound like good manners to you? >> well, every once in a while it is fun to tweet people and we lost a probably, they say a hundred million dollars when we lost the all-star game all based on untruths, she talked about sb 202. we increased the days of early voting from 16 to 17. >> so you don't think that is good manners. i understand what you're saying about sb 202 and i don't mind getting into that but do you think that was good manners not to go after the president who tried to overturn the elections but going after stacey abrams who was trying to improve elections? >> well, she is used to really getting people questioning her resolve and wisdom and her decisions and that was a little dry humor and if you don't find it funny, well, perhaps you're just too serious about life. anyway. >> i was just using your words. you said you cared about good manners. i was just asking if you thought that was good manners. >> when the left begins to really clean its house up, and the right cleans up its house that is really what

week i have seen that you have been referencing stacey abrams. so i anticipated that you are going to make that reference. for me, it just seems like a bit of a stretch to be honest with you. stacey abrams did not call you, did not threaten, you did not ask you to find votes she did not call in her followers to storm the capital. i know that you said that donald trump came along and ramped up the rhetoric that you say stacey abrams started. i want to just, if i can, play for you the reaction from stacey abrams and donald trump. watch this. >> as i have always said, i acknowledge that the very beginning that brian kemp won under the rules that were in place. but i object to, the rules that permitted thousands of georgia voters to be denied their participation in this election. there are votes that were cast it up. and so i will continue to disagree with this system until it is fixed. >> and let me play for you what donald trump said speaking to you in a phone call last december. >> so, look all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,780 vote

. >> you have taken aim at stacey abrams. in the current struggle about the integrity for elections and the struggle for everyone entitled to vote in the way unimpeded. it strikes me that youabrams ar side of that. >> no, not in the least. if you look at what stacey abrams did, she lost the state of georgia by 55,000 votes. she questioned the legitimacy of the election. she set the table along with the leaders that supported her in her big lie. she set the table for president trump to ramp it up and take it to the next level. voter suppression and voter fraud. both sides of the coin. stolen election claims undermine. both parties need to look at what they have done on the left and right and say we are not going to do that anymore. we will fight hard to win the elections, but when we lose, lose honorably. >> you cannot draw a parallel that stacey abrams saying voter suppressed and president trump saying find votes that were not cast in my favor. >> there was no voter suppression. we had 4 million people show up for the governo

also, i think stacey abrams did a great job of getting the vote out. she lost the election. so is hillary clinton for that matter. if you want to get changes made in the election system, you don't just say everything was great, that nothing was wrong, because that will not motivate people. guest: could i jump in and give a couple of quick answers question mark they say that anybody who questions the 2020 election results is pushing the big lie. but when hillary clinton in 2016 refused to accept the results and said donald trump only won because of collusion with russia, which just last week was shown to be a completely false flag, that big lie was not called a big lie. no one called hillary clinton out. stacey abrams literally in the last couple of weeks pushed this false claim that she won the race in georgia and is the true governor of georgia. nobody said it was a big lie when she said that. now you go forward to it happened in the 2020 election. these people deserve great political credit in a non-moral sense for doing what they could to push the envelope. what they did

was all about young people, and so it's certainly stacey abrams. i think that she might let the leaders rise up themselves. she would not kind of anoint anybody. she would be supportive once that person kind of rises but she would be there to support and help move that needle forward. so there are a lot of movements now that, yeah, that -- >> that's kind of what bob moses did in tapping her, and noticing the genius, and saying, i need you to do more of this and that. >> i'm reluctant to name anybody, because as soon as you name somebody, twitter and instagram and this, that and the other, but i support all the sisters. i will say this about stacey abrams, both of her parents are methodist ministers, there is a grounding that comes and they didn't have much. and they had a big family. there is a grounding that comes from having a faith in your core. and that's what i see as a common thread between tubman and hamer, and stacey abrams. >> you know, and we're talking about this idea of leaders, and we talked in preparation for the conversation that smi

they don't want to talk about stacey abrams but she set the table for 2020. she lost in 2018 by 55,000 votes. talk about that. -- i talk about that. she lost by the 5000 votes and she said were it not for voters set -- suppression. we had record turnout. people have plenty of opportunities to vote. they had, at that time, 16 days plus sunday voting in all of the major metropolitan areas. wendy of opportunities to vote and also election day. roll that forward to 2020 and we heard the other narrative about voter fraud. neither of them were supported by the facts. we pushed back on lawsuits from stacey abrams and we pushed back on trump. judges look for facts. they don't look for allegations that are not supported by facts. host: i want to ask you about the criminal prosecution that might be possibly coming in georgia, the headline from the new york times saying a grand jury in georgia looms in trump inquiry as the house committee investigates the january 6 capital riots -- capitol riots. an atlanta district attorney is moving toward convening a special grand ju

stacey abrams still hasn't conceded her loss. of the aisle. we need to push back on that with the truth and with facts. at the end of the day, what really t counts is integrity because whens people run with integrity, people run the elections with integrity, the system is up with integrity up and down the line and people can have confidence in the system. i'll make those difficult choices. an easy choice, but it was uncomfortable because of all the pressure that came to bear. those were the facts. >> so let me ask you about what's happening yhere, for example. i should say that the republican, glenn youngkin, has said he willha accept whatever e outcome of the race is. he has amassed 304 paid and unpaid attorneys. they're expecting thousands of volunteer poll watchers. is that democracy in action or is that something that is new and is concerning? i >> well, we've seen that -- stacey abrams' team had all of their election day lawyers for years and finally the republicans haves responded in kind. poll monitors from both political

the history of stacey abrams with her myth of voter suppression.uth and both parties need to knock it off, because it undermines voter confidence. >> the question was about trump, so i don't want to get into everything with stacey abrams. she did lose and she has talked about the voter suppression there. but, you know, you supported trump but he was touting all of these lies about what would happen in the election if he lost. like, beforehand, he was putting it out there into the bloodstream, into the mainstream. so did that concern you then before the election? because he basically did what he said he was going to do. >> that's why before the election, i talk about it in my book "integrity counts," i stood up to the task force. one of the people on the task force was an attorney from the southern district, bobby christine, who ended up becoming the northern u.s. attorney for atlanta when b.j. pak resigned. i understand it's an area of concern. we had been sued by both the republican party and the democratic party saying it was subjective, and i ag

stacey abrams lost georgia by 55,000 votes and did not concede and talked about voter suppression, andble for president trump to talk about voter fraud. neither one of those were supported by the facts. >> secretary raffensperger, stacey abrams talking about voter suppression, disenfranchisement in the black and brown community in georgia, that is a completely different situation than then president trump calling you up and saying, find me 11,000 votes. i just need 11,000 votes to win this thing. that is completely different. than stacey abrams calling into question what happened in the georgia governor's race who then she subsequently let up on. there was no insurrection. there was no, you know, attempt to overthrow the governor's mansion in georgia. it is a completely different situation, secretary raffensperger, than what we were dealing with, with the former president. do you not agree with that? >> that's what i just said. that's what i just said. president trump just ramped it up 10 decibels louder with his 80 million twitter followers. but when i had that conversation with the p

i do want to make sure people are aware that stacey abrams did acknowledge her loss.hing that she did do in the aftermath of the election. let me ask but what happened in washington, the republican voting rights bill. you tweeted yesterday that the bill would, quote, undermine the security of our elections. you have become -- listen, you have a national profile now, sir, because you have spoken up against interference in the elections as it relates to your interactions with former president trump. how do you square that now with a bill that's intended to safeguard exactly that? those elections? >> well, the bill actually, the federal bill would actually not do that because you'd have same-day registration which would create chaos for the county election officials when people come up to register during the day. and also in effect what it does is it just does away with photo i.d., you sign an affidavit that says that's who you are. photo i.d. has been show it does not decrease any turnout, any demographic group. that it actually then helps shore up voter confidence. it'

they don't want to talk about stacey abrams but she set the table for 2020.he lost in 2018 by 55,000 votes. talk about that. -- i talk about that. she lost by the 5000 votes and she said were it not for voters set -- suppression. we had record turnout. people have plenty of opportunities to vote. they had, at that time, 16 days plus sunday voting in all of the major metropolitan areas. wendy of opportunities to vote and also election day. roll that forward to 2020 and we heard the other narrative about voter fraud. neither of them were supported by the facts. we pushed back on lawsuits from stacey abrams and we pushed back on trump. judges look for facts. they don't look for allegations that are not supported by facts. host: i want to ask you about the criminal prosecution that might be possibly coming in georgia, the headline from the new york times saying a grand jury in georgia looms in trump inquiry as the house committee investigates the january 6 capital riots -- capitol riots. an atlanta district attorney is moving toward convening a special grand jury

they don't want to talk about stacey abrams but she set the table for 2020.ost in 2018 by 55,000 votes. talk about that. -- i talk about that. she lost by the 5000 votes and she said were it not for voters set -- suppression. we had record turnout. people have plenty of opportunities to vote. they had, at that time, 16 days plus sunday voting in all of the major metropolitan areas. wendy of opportunities to vote and also election day. roll that forward to 2020 and we heard the other narrative about voter fraud. neither of them were supported by the facts. we pushed back on lawsuits from stacey abrams and we pushed back on trump. judges look for facts. they don't look for allegations that are not supported by facts. host: i want to ask you about the criminal prosecution that might be possibly coming in georgia, the headline from the new york times saying a grand jury in georgia looms in trump inquiry as the house committee investigates the january 6 capital riots -- capitol riots. an atlanta district attorney is moving toward convening a special grand jury in

he brought in barack obama, stacey abrams, kamala harris to try to activate the black vote in virginiarry mcauliffe has 90% of the vote the first time around. the latest fox poll has an 80%. glenn youngkin 14% in that pole. so mcauliffe needs to get closer to 90%. the other reason they are using the tactic is to win background among white women in the suburbs, northern virginia suburbs where they lost ground on the education issue. that is the beating heart of the demolition without suburban women or african-americans, terry mcauliffe will not win this race tomorrow. >> laura: according to cnn jets felony, mcauliffe is down, tom because of the spending bills have not passed . >> there is no doubt president biden lower approval rating in the commonwealth and elsewhere contributing to the delays among my credits unable to pass infrastructure bill and unable to pass broader reconciliation bill of the social programs. so definitely contributed to really a lack of positivity about the direction of the country. >> laura: tom, have you seen evidence of biden's agenda with democrats and elsewh

the stacey abrams, activists come best-selling author,, entrepreneur, and political leader.this assumption made history as a first blacke woman to become the gubernatorial nominee for a major party, , spending seven or eight years as minority leader in the georgia house of rep. stacy founded multiple organizations devoted to social issues and has authored several best-selling books herself. she has earned more awards and honors and i can even list here in the time given. so if and when it's ready to start, i would love to hand it over to stacy to moderate the discussion between hillary rodham clinton and louise penny. stacy, take it away. away. >> thank you so much, laura. thank you so much to lucy and welcome louise and welcome madam secretary. >> thank you. stacy, it is so wonderful. stacy, we have never met. i know you and hillary are close. hi, hillary. >> madam secretary, you are on mute. >> okay. thank you. if i only knew it were that easy when we were applauding. >> it could have solved a lot of our problems. i cannot tell you how excited i am to do this with our two

are there people like stacey abrams in georgia who are trying to reverse what they are seeing at that level? is it happening in other states? guest: yeah. it's becoming increasingly clear to democrats that republicans' ability to draw the lines is self-perpetuating. in most states it's the state legislature who redraws the maps. and the state legislatures in most states can redraw their own maps to entrench their power. this is a root for minority party in some cases to thwart the will of the majority and in a lot of cases it's simply the majority's way of seizing even more power. there has been a trend in the number of states towards reform. but most reforms have been successful, most ballot initiatives and constitutional amendments have been successful in bluer states. there are new commissions this time in virginia and michigan and colorado. but not all commissions are created equal. there are 10 states that use them right now. and some are quite successful. california and colorado have had success with very citizen driven processes that in california it's blind to incumbents and p

the first lady, richmond and the suburbs, stacey abrams, down in the southeastern corner of the state. democrats need to turn voters out. they are nervous in a state they won by ten points just a year ago. so the democrats are nervous why? because youngkin does have a chance here. how does he do it? no room for error. he has to get this trump base. see all this red out here? trump ran it up out here hugely. you go through these counties. trump 71%. trump 71%. trump 73%. however, they're not as populated so glenn youngkin cannot lose the trump base. he must have the trump base. even if he gets it all, it's not enough to win. he has had to do something republicans have had a huge problem with in the trump years, which is deal with trump's toxicity in the suburbs. the population shifts in virginia have been largely up here. if you go back to 2004, i'll just show you this is the george bush win. notice the red in the outer suburbs around washington, d.c. loudoun county, manassas, prince william county. george w. bush could do it down there. he did it down around richmond as well. but in t

but also in my book, i do talk about the difference between stacey abrams. suppression in 2014. if we don't get honest with ourselves on both sides of the aisle, these narratives of storming election claims are unhealthy for america. and so we really have to look. our side needs to look into our mirror, your side needs to look in your mirror, when you lose an election, accept the results and move on. if you want to run again, by all means. but we have to really understand that elections are run with fair and honest basis. we have good people up and down the line from your precinct workers to your secretary of state, and i will stand in the gap to make sure we have fair and honest elections. >> but sir, that's not really a fair comparison. stacey abrams never tried to overturn an election. you mentioned virginia and glenn youngkin's win. the democrat in the state of virginia conceded. in the state of new jersey, phil murphy has won the race and actually by a larger margin than we've seen in virginia, yet the republican there has not yet conceded. is this the

now mark says they're coming out, but they brought jim clyburn, stacey abrams.riend mark? >> i'm sure terry mcauliffe and mark are hoping it turns the tide. this lack of enthusiasm among democratic voters is the same thing. we had the same discussion in the california recall. it's very important in this race because if african-american voters do not come out, terry mcauliffe could lose. you know, chris, one of the big data points we've all been talking about is that how out of ten of the last 11 virginia gubernatorial races, the person who wins is from the opposite party of the person who won the white house the year before. the one exception was terry mcauliffe in 2013. and it was because of black voters. so if we're going to use history as a guide, you know, the mcauliffe campaign -- i'm sure terry mcauliffe is hoping he can get a repeat, because he won by three percentage points in 2013. but the fact that glenn youngkin is using -- and i love what larry sabato said, we're focusing on the wrong word, it's not critical race theory, we have to focus on race. and

. >> if you look at what stacey abrams did, she lost the state of georgia in 2018, 55,000 votes.f our elections. she actually set the table along with all the leaders, national democrat leaders that supported staey abrams in her big lie and set the table for president trump to ramp it up and take it to the next level. voter suppression and voter fraud, they're both sides of that coin, different sides, but stolen election claims undermine people's confidence in the elections. >> now, to be clear, stacey abrams did say that brian kemp would be certified the winner of the election and did decry what she views and a lot of people view as voter suppression efforts in georgia. is it not dangerous and disingenuous to equate questioning legitimate voter suppression with false claims of voter fraud? and couldn't you be doing more to convince voters that our elections are safe and secure? >> well, that's the point. elections are safe and secure in georgia. i think it is really disingenuous when the left is not really fessed up to the part they played when hillary clinton and the other peop

i think of stacey abrams campaigning. i think of kamala. i think of joe biden stumbling around arlington last week. in the end, it looks like that mattered how much, molly? >> well, they clearly invested heavily in making sure that this was a secure democrat victory. i live here in virginia. we're not a purple state. we're a democrat state. democrat wins state wide office by ten points. joe biden won by ten points. our current governor democrat who's embroiled in all sorts of controversy with his own racism won by ten points. this is not wisconsin or pennsylvania or georgia or a narrow congressional district this is a very safe democrat area. this should have never had to bring out the big guns to keep this seat and they did and they still appear to be losing it. this is just absolutely huge news that speaks not just to the toxicity of the national democratic agenda, but also how that national democratic agenda, which we're all subjected to because they control the white house, the senate, and the house, but also how that's realized and how

stacey abrams has, you know, been padding other own wallet with this theory that's out there.ican turnout in the country. do you ever hear anybody say that? no. they are just saying that people are suppressed and they said the same thing about our voting bill which is not the truth. we are simply adding voter i.d. for absentee ballots and making sure we have secure elections. they are also going to be very fair and accessible. steve: today ♪ only election day. it's your birthday. happy birthday. brian and ainsley and i are now going to sing happy birthday. [laughter] >> this is great. [buzzer] ainsley: we will say this we are so glad you were born, governor. check in with janice dean for fox weather forecast. hey, janice. januaryian good morning. take a look at it your election forecast in screa. we will see scattered showers in the area. not a big storm system so no reason for you not to go out and get the vote on. 48 in harrisonburg and 53 in richmond. there is new jersey, cloudy skies for you. south new jersey potential for showers. again, not a big deal. should not, you kn

sometimes these people don't even have to run for things they just threaten to run for things like stacey abrams's a humble way to make a living but they are working very hard at it. >> tucker: what will it take? i'm sure there are things that beto o'rourke is possibly good at, hackensack or whatever and possibly other things but clearly, nobody wants him to run anything. how many losses as a going to take for him to acknowledge that, i wonder? >> i keep hearing he is a fairy so maybe that's why he wants to get rid of hunting rifles but i don't think he's ever going to learn his lesson, he seems to really enjoy losing. i think this is just his gig now and we are probably going to be seeing him for a long time running late for things and not actually winning. >> tucker: never overlook masochism, good to see you. we will be right back, much going on in the news and we will tell you what it is in just a second. >> tucker: the essential promise of america's equal treatment under the law. we are all citizens and we are judged equally for what we do. it is the most important thing we have and it's goi

i don't care about before me or stacey abrams speaking, that's great, she has nothing to do with virginiaat are you doing for the black people in virginia and addressing the issues they want addressed? they have a messaging problem, i think they have to understand a lot of black voters are sick and tired of being emotionally triggered and targeted with images of black people on the ground and police on their back and we want something done about that but it's insensitive and to play as if we are stupid enough to fall for it and i think a lot of people, they are saying you got to bring us something, you can't just say we are going to vote for you because we are black. kennedy: black parents care about their kids education, to. when you use race as it does price of 12, it's for all kids and all voters. sean, what was your take away in terms of liberty and the vote last night? >> let's not forget when a lot of these results come down to is that a grassroots campaign. there were young people on the ground knocking doors, turning out the vote for legislative candidates that paid off from of th

just when we thought it couldn't get any better than these blockbuster women, we had a stacey abrams moderating the discussion. activist, best selling author, entrepreneur and political leader. this is someone that made history as the first black woman to become the gubernatorial nominee for a major party spending seven of her eight years as the minority leader in the house. as daisy founded multiple organizations devoted to social issues and has authored several best-selling books herself. she's earned more than i could even listing the times given. also, if everyone is ready to start, i would love to hand it over to stacy to moderate the state of terror discussion between hillary clinton. stacy, takee it away. >> thank you so much to lucy. welcome madam secretary. >> thank you. it's wonderful. we've never met. i i know you are close, but this is such a pleasure. thank you for doing this. >> madam secretary, you are still on mute. a. >> i didn't know it was that easy when we were plotting. i can't tell you how excited i am to do this with our local bookstores and i want to thank lau

. >> just when we thought it couldn't get any better for these two blockbuster women, we have stacey abramserating the discussion. activist, best-selling authors, entrepreneur and political leader. this is someone who made history as the first black woman to become gubernatorial nominee for a major party, eight years as minority leader in the georgia house of reps. she product multiple organizations devoted to social issues and offered several best-selling books herself. she's earned more awards than i could list here in the time given. if everyone is ready to start, i'd love to headed over to stacy ,to moderate this discussion between hillary clinton and luis penny. stacy, take it away. >> thank you so much, laura and lucy. far from luis and welcome, madam secretary. >> thank you. it's wonderful. we've never met, i know you and hillary are close but this is a pleasure. thank you for doing this. >> hi, hillary. >> madam secretary -- >> okay, thank you. [laughter] >> it was easy when we were applauding. >> we could solve a lot of our problems. ive cannot tell you how excitedi am to dor this

. >> harris: you know what's interesting, i wonder if the women of color -- like stacey abrams, if they are saying, why her? i just wonder what those conversations are like. >> i think a lot of women including myself are really disappointed at the fact that she's our first female vice president because she's filling the shoes that someone much more qualified could have filled. i don't giver a hoot about how she feels. i care about our country and the future of our country. so instead of sitting on the view, and seem more likable and do damage control how about if she goes down to the southern border, and start there and when she's done there, cleaned that up and helped to secure our border, actually, then maybe she can go and find some green jobs for people like in my home state of south dakota who had their pipeline canceled and now have been promised these green new jobs for months and haven't gotten them so instead of her reputation and worry about what people think of her may she should do her job and the same goes for biden. >> harris: white house spokesperson jen psaki says the vi

the mcauliffe campaign, you had former president obama, president biden, stacey abrams, all these bignd yet it didn't seem to do the trick and give him the edge that he needed. what do you think he could've done more than that, really? >> we pulled out the stops. we all put out the stops when the vice president, the president to barack obama, and i think glenn youngkin hit on a number of virginia voters when he very delicately navigated the waters with donald trump and really focused and said, i don't need to bring anybody in. that was clearly a message that resonated with some of the swing voters that dan and i have been talking about, and i think he actually effectively use that message to counter some of the big democrats coming in as a way to answer the question of whether donald trump should campaign with them out on the campaign trail across the commonwealth. so that will obviously take some deeper digging, as we think through messaging and republicans have to have some soul-searching. where they go as a party, despite the victory as it was clear victory for glenn youngkin in th

she does voting rights but only here and there and it's actually stacey abrams who's been able to registervernorship of georgia became more powerful, able to register 100,000 people there. they put her in charge of understating the root causes of border insecurity and immigration. she went down to the northern triangle for a hot second, came back, and doesn't seem to think we have a crisis at our border where people are pouring over with the secretary of homeland security lying to congress about it today. they watch her in action and all the stories on cnn, "abc news," politico, this is not right wing media, right-wing media polls, those polling numbers you are quoting are coming from nbc, abc, monmouth pole. people are very much against her. i think joe biden picked in his vice president 1 of 3 people in the entire country who cannot upstage in. and the people complaining it's misogyny and sexism that she is ten below joe biden as if his 30% is so great. they both earned it. let me just say this, i think her best bet would be to quit and primary him next time and said they never let me do

terry mccauliffe is bringing up stacey abrams and the vice president. i don't know what it has to do with virginians. independents are swaying youngkin's way. that's the key to his election. >> harris: you talk about education and parents and whether the issue was crt. here is -- his take. >> education plan he wants to ban critical race theory. it has never been taught in virginia. i really hate. it it is a racist dog whistle. all glenn youngkin is run down our education system and virginia. >> harris: eon prior, executive director of schools says nope. >> hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayer money to spread this kind of misinformation and way of teaching. >> i would love to sit down with terry mccauliffe for 15 minutes and show him receipts from loudon county where they trained teachers in critical race theory anding a email from the former superintendent of loudon said yes, critical race theory is in teacher trainings and instructive curriculum. >> harris: let me show you the receipts. prior handed them to the "focus" obtained from the loudon

stacey abrams, kamala harris. they brought in everyone that they can. it is going to be critical.-- mcauliffe may still be able to pull it off. if it does, it's because he generated enough turnout among americans to offset independent voters and those in the northern suburbs. it's critical to mcauliffe. they have known it a long time but i'm not sure if they've activated the voters in the same way that biden did a year ago. >> charles: no doubt. thanks, tom. appreciate it. a report on payments to certain my grants is not only -- not the only thing feeling fierce debate. so is the president's response. we'll explain later. more long lines and headaches for flyers and jeff flock is getting answers. he's next. >> it was the weekend from hill for american airlines. cancellations up and down. the problem is, today it continues. we'll tell you more in just a minute. this couple was headed to the farmers market... when they got a chip. they drove to safelite for a same-day repair. and with their insurance, it was no cost to them. >> woman: really? >> tech: that's service the way you need

stacey abrams said she had voter suppression.rations, record voter turnout, and we now have 17votes. we have record voting turnout and we have 17 days of early voting minimum of the entire state of georgia. so we continue to improve the process. we make sure that we are fact-based so we know we got all the information on our side and respectfully to people that just spreads falsehoods. >> the new book is "integrity counts." we look forward to that. we asked awe all this question earlier in the show, why are you awake? >> let's see, okay, that tie, he looks great. what about mine? green, light blue? get it? kevin writes, i am awake because in the u.s. virgin islands we don't fall back in the fall, we went from watching "morning joe at 6:00 a.m. to watching you at 6:00 a.m. dan, what do you got back there? >> we got one from henry, i am picking up my brother flying from miami to hawaii, adding i should have been the only child. >> that's indeed. the airport pick up is sort of tested of a friendship and in this case it's brotherhood

home area because i have a home in that district and i have these conversations much like what stacey abrams do in georgia, and really have these conversations with people who might feel ignored that it would be beneficial even if i lost that i would be paving the way to, you know, at least a more purple district. >> the journalist in me is hearing she is not ruling it out. one last question. i've saved the most important for last. what is going on with a who's the boss reboot? i grew up in the uk not the u.s. and yet i knew you from "who's the boss." defied a lot of norms in many ways. will we see tony and samantha back on screen together any time soon? >> we are developing right now, really excited about the direction of the show but i will say it is not a reboot. we are looking at it as a sequel. so we get to re-establish and learn what samantha has been doing all of these years and how tony fits into it and also samantha was raised by two incredibly strong women in angela and mona. i am excited to see how those women have shaped samantha's life as an adult. so yes we are developing and r

stacey abrams is doing it. >> david pepper, thank you very much for that. >>> earlier in the show, we asked this question. "why are you awake?" bonnie is up early catching the sun rise. >> dan, what do you got? >> that's probably right. debra tweets this. this is my only me time, i choose to spend it with you and msnbc team. debra, sure you have better options than that but we appreciate it. >>> up next, axios one big thing. did democrats lose virginia because they did not have an infrastructure deal? when negotiation stands on capitol hill? i can't miss "morning joe," it's moments away. "morning joe," its moments away this is wealth. ♪ ♪ this is worth. that takes wealth. but this is worth. and that - that's actually worth more than you think. don't open that. wealth is important, and we can help you build it. but it's what you do with it, that makes life worth living. principal. for all it's worth. people with moderate to severe psoriasis, or psoriatic arthritis, are rethinking the choices they make like the s

and they brought in their big guns they brought in obama, the brought in biden, they brought in stacey abramsnd they tried to close it all with vice president harris and it didn't do anything, in fact i think it reminded people that the last year has been abysmal on policy and it wasn't just the one policy, it was a lot of policy that push them back. >> morgan, what you think? >> just a couple of weeks ago i was on your podcast which all o our fox viewers said should listen to and we talked about two things i was looking at one was specifically the hispanic vote in virginia. these are just exit polls i'm looking at so there is variability, but one of them i saw was a 9 percent of hispanic voters in virginia were breakin for youngkin. as you talked about this evening , we have the first hispanic and the first immigran attorney general in virginia, s these are important as the gop has tried to around the country make more and more inroads with the hispanic community. i would also say one of the jus interesting antidotes from my conversation with this evening is how fired up gop women are about

in the way you both have conducted yourself in this campaign is okay, terry mcauliffe rings and stacey abramsrry mcauliffe brings in joe and jill biden and kamala harris and barack obama. he's tried to make this a national campaign for whatever reason, i don't specifically know why. and you have pretty much stuck to local issues, state issues that impact everyday lives. i got to imagine that that's probably what has resulted in the surge. how do you explain these poll numbers that have now shifted in the last number of weeks dramatically in your favor? >> well, we've been focusing on the issues most important to virginians, low taxes, schools that deliver for our children, safe communities, a growing job market versus a stalled out one and oh, by the way, a government that will work for us and not tell us what to do all the time. and virginians have embraced this platform. it's been amazing, across the country we've been hearing from families inning stand up for us too, virginia, because we don't get to vote this year, we have the same problems that you have. these kitchen table issues, this

so stacey abrams was probably out there too. so, there was a lot of supposed concern in trump world about quote stealing the election leading up to it and then nothing. none of the alleged fraud ever materialized, because of course republican glenn youngkin won the race. and according to trump's allies, the election, there is only illegitimate, when democrats went, up it is that heads on, win tails you lose theory of american politics. and there's this interesting angle in virginia, which is a state that has a 45-day window of early voting including no excuse effort by mail. a policy which, if you remember, since the 2020 election, was kind of a problem according to many republicans. in, fact one republican senator tried to overturn the results of our free and fair election to put the loser in over the winter, against the will of the american people, he specifically, sided, mail-in ballots in the state of pennsylvania, and the reason. of course, holly is not concerned about that. now because he won. yes, obviously it's a good th

i don't think is to stacey abrams is out there too. so there was a lot of supposedly concern in trump world about quote stealing the election leading up to it. and then nothing. none of the alleged fraud ever materialized because, of course, republican glenn youngkin won the race and according to trump and allies elections are only illegitimate when democrats win them. it's the heads i win tails you lose theory of american politics. and there is an interesting angle to all this in virginia which is a state that has a 45-day window of early voting, including no excuse absentee ballots by mail. a policy which if you were remember anything from the 2020 election was a problem according to many republicans. in fact when josh hawley in missouri tried to overturn the results of the free and fair exto put the looser in over the winner against the will of the american people he specifically cited mail in ballots in states like pennsylvania as the reason why. of course, hawley is not concerned about that now because his guy won. yes, obviously

in fact, when i stepped into the office in january 2019, the first thing was stacey abrams had about nine law suits about the stolen election claim concept she had wasn't based on the truth, which was voter suppression. in 2020, it was voter fraud. none of them were based on the truth. we knew we had the facts on our side and i needed to continue politically, respectfully, let the president know he did lose the election and this is why. we gave him data points and explained to him all the data he had was just wrong. >> woodruff: what you say in the book is you took what he said is threatening to prosecute you. i mean, the president essentially was asking you to break the law. >> asking us to find 11,800 votes. and there weren't 11,800 votes to find. they just weren't there. he said there were 5,000 dead people. there were less than five. he said there were thousands of felons that voted. he said there were underaged voters. there were 0. we had the data. i calmly, factually laid that out. that's what i do in my book, "integrity counts." people finally get the truth for the very first

he endorsed stacey abrams, for crying out loud. >> i mean, that's a head scratcher for sure. of cancel culture, the wyoming gop says it's no longer going to recognize liz cheney as a republican after she criticized trump. what is your reaction to that, and how is that going to play with longtime cheney family loyal republicans in wyoming? >> i would suggest that liz cheney's legacy is richer today because of it. liz cheney has her eye on the constitution, and while there are strong disagreements between progressives and liz cheney, i think she's proven herself to be an ally in defense of democracy. it's hard to say that of today's republican party writ large. there's not a big surprise here, liz cheney will have a primary. her primary opponent endorsed by the wyoming party by donald trump. liz cheney is the cheney name in wyoming goes very deep, perhaps she could pull off a win, but to susan's point, in the primaries, this is still donald trump's party. whether liz cheney returns to congress or not, her legacy will be richer because of what she's done the past couple years. >

doesn't bode well for governor kemp against whoever becomes the democratic nominee, potentially stacey abrams chances to win in close states. >> especially every day, every day he puts out a statement that repeats the big lie and a whole bunch other things but the foundation of trump is still the big lie about 2020. it's fascinating to watch different -- different republicans with ambition how they respond to the trump factor. some are willing to get in his face. others are more careful about it. let's start with one willing to get in his face. larry hogan is the republican governor of maryland and he cannot run for re-election. he has a favorite and donald trump has a different favorite. i would prefer endorsements from people who didn't lose maryland by 33 points. larry hogan selling donald trump who cares what you say in maryland. >> look at the levels and how they respond. the senate level and gubernatorial level. people are pushing back on donald trump and that is absent basically in house races and it's interesting to see how the dynamics play out in the republican party. if you run in

tony: if you are talking about showing id -- john: stacey abrams -- tony: that did not happen! john: do not hide! most people are for id! tony: that will not change the rules in georgia. john: there are 15 new rules including somebody brings a bottle of water why they stand in line. karen: reclaiming my time. one last question. before we go to your questions. what about the perception of biden articulated this week by abigail? that this gigantic massive program that the democrats are trying to get through on capitol hill is not what biden was elected to do. that people did not think that they were electing fdr. john: 90% of president biden's ads outlined the build back better program and how we were going to pay for it. i love her, she is great, and she is reacting to her governor in virginia. joe biden did one -- two things in the election. he is going to get control of covid, and he laid out everything that is in conciliation or build back together. we did hundreds of millions of dollars worth of deals. voters knew exactly what he was doing. voters told him what he wanted to

in they brought in barack obama, stacey abrams and it doesn't seem to have moved the needle.it did. that they brought out all these blue voters that wouldn't come. looks like a race between the candidates. glenn youngkin attached himself to real bread and butter issues. literal bread and butter issue 2.5% tax on groceries, education which is now the top issue. i would but the it this way, i think if glenn youngkin doesn't win, in this environment, facing a bad candidate with a lot of breaks that have gone his way it's hard for me to see any republican winning statewide in virginia. i think it will just be a blue state. >> bret: that's exactly right if that's what turns out. here are some sound about expectations tonight. >> i think virginia is a very important canary in a coal mine. biden has handed control much the agenda over to the radicals over the bernie sanders and aoc and elizabeth warren and i think people are horrified. i think virginia is aspect of that. >> there is a comfort level with terry that's positive. the little dynamic in the race. i think terry has the mat

well, we have been facing this -- stacey abrams talked about voter suppression.ked about voter fraud. both of those destabilized society. obviously, president trump took a whole higher level of that election disinformation but we need to get back to basics and need to have people understand that elections are safe and secure in georgia and at the end of the day, we had a fair and honest election and i walk that line of sbegryty to make sure we would and i stood the gap and i was not going to get budged off the truth. the truth was president trump did come up short. >> so i want ask you about this because in the book, you do include the full transcript of your now-infamous call with then-president trump where he asked you to find just enough votes to flip the state of georgia to his win column. okay. now, there is six people on the call besides trump and yourself. yet, as i read this transcript in your book, the first-ten pages are trump and a monologue. you go back and listen to it, it's 20 minutes. talk about you knowing numbers. 20 minutes, he is going on this