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to head in the general election, and if you believe hillary clinton, my next guest didn't win, stacey abrams won, but of course we know she went on to be the president of earth in star trek. what we got instead was a guy who came in under the shadow of the vin president of the united states, and a lot of people in the suburbs of georgia thought he's not my guy. he then defined himself as his own person, and what if we got in the state? some of the most robust economic growth, the first date out of lockdowns from covid, school choice, massive construction projects outside of metro atlanta, and if you ever listen to me on the radio, living in macon, georgia, driving between there and the beach often on i-16, the most desolate stretch of interstate outside of montana, and if there are members of the legislature here, there should be no speed limit on that road. in rural georgia where there used to be nothing, there are massive construction projects because the governor of the state of georgia decided instead of being the governor of atlanta and north of i-20, there was actually an expansive sta

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i will be participating in the texas tribune festival joining a list of extreme -- stacey abrams, nancypunch bowl's anne palmer about my new book, small acts of courage. tickets are still available go to the website. later in the day i will be at the betty anderson speaker series at the lbj school of public affairs, i will be speaking about my book there with the founding director of the center for the study of race and democracy. hope to see you there, we will be right back. payment options. ok, but why is shaq coming too? to show you how it's done. ♪♪ for a great low rate, go with the general. (psst psst) ahhhh... with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary spraying flonase daily gives you long-lasting, non-drowsy relief. (psst psst) flonase. all good. did you know that if you shave, 1/3rd of what you remove is skin? (♪♪) new dove helps repair it. so, if you shave it? (♪♪) dove it new dove replenish your skin after every shave. >>> we have >>> we have been talking a lot today about the split screen we are seeing from the two presidential campaigns, the normal retail politics from k

i want to play some from stacey abrams talking about the georgia election board and why it is bad for>> more than 3000 counties, they have to certify those ballots, they then had to get it to the secretary of state and then certify that the the electors can cast their ballots by november 17. if that does not happen that whole sequence gets delayed, there is no remedy except for it to happen when the u.s. congress convenes the following year. wait for it, congress then gets to decide if you can so dissent and so concern, you can delay the process enough that you can then claim conspiracy and then claim. that is the plan they have. this is a well-funded plan that is playing out across the battleground state. >> that goes to the heart of what you are saying, that strategy has moved outside of washington and is now sort of hand to hand, if you will, among the states in those battleground states especially. >> what is really important to remember from that clip is what we found in the committee is the reason january 6th was almost a moment of national catastrophe for us was not just becaus

it's a stacey abrams and the sherry beasley's of the world and the shirley chisholm's of the world who ran but did not win but made it easier impossible for me too be appointed in this moment for these to be successful in 54 days. but none of us do it alone. that's a challenge of this moment most importantly it is the opportunity to continue the legacy to continue to pave those paths across different opportunities of leadership whether we are talking about public service. corporate leadership going out doing real work in real leadership of it venturele capital. artificial, intelligence, thiss our moment. this is our time and there are those who made it possible for us with may be the only we are doing any of it alone. we've covered some of the history of the sentence. we have covered the very spiritual nature of the symbolic shift and the significance of the history to that we have not covered as much on the substance of the importance of you all being there. i y would love for you, these ae myu friends was not disrespectful. hold on before i get in trouble. do it all the time sometime

and we had this and roger when in georgia when we had a stacey abrams, who did not necessarily concede but she . we knew when it happened we would be able to say they found it and we had 60 candidates throughout the u.s. andd that is just when they launched kind of right before the election and now we are going full on with ford, the center, the baker institute,e, the mccain institue all of this is to say we want to hold as we said in the op-ed that we did last year. people want the politicians to be held accountable to be an adult and so as issues come out it will get raised but it's watching for the tail wagging the dog. there are people that voted one way in the last election and won't do that again and vice versa people have switched sides sharing facts and educating people making sure they understand about their boat and i don't know if you are going to ask about bigger voting issues, but 10,000 election jurisdictions in the united states. 10,000. and we had 159 counties, second only to texas and 159 counties that had different election rules. some have drop-offs and some don't. i

to stacey abrams' point, you delay the process.mpaign, the gop, is going to start taking people to court. and they're going to likely hit a republican judge when they get to judge, maybe, and that's the plan. there are 100-plus lawsuits across the country trying to find their way through the system to set up these county organizations and these county boards of election and state boards of election to fail. i started my career going to polling sites, being a poll watcher with a roll of quarters and had to call pay phones, that's the quarters, and call the campaign every 30 minutes to tell them what was going on. wait until the end of election night to watch them break open the machine, again, before electronic machines. i'm getting old, getting up there. break open the machine, and watch the campaigns and the board of elections count and look at the results. give that to a police officer to take to the precinct. what i'm concerned about here, to your point, is that this hand counting, which is supposed to be -- which is supposed to

take georgia, stacey abrams have the same strategy in georgia couple years ago.or georgia as well. the key here is to try to not just reduce the margins of the presidential but you have all of these down ballot races that you are caring about just as well. if you're going to parts of upstate new york or hudson valley, new york, it is actually very crucial. you go to some these parts of the state and you will try the best that you can do really support the entire ticket, not just the presidential aspirations. she knows that. >> you're trying to get your own turn out in your big cities. if you're challenging in pennsylvania and you are in philadelphia and you can crank out the turnout, and win by bigger margins and you are losing by smaller margins, when it comes down to georgia and 11,000 or whatever it is, it matters if you visited a couple of those counties. >> when people see you in those counties they get excited and they feel heard, seen. this is someone who is doing the work >> they have her doing local tv like she did. that is what a governor does. let me s

him a debt of gratitude for the rest of our lives, because of his bold conservative leadership, stacey abrams will never be the governor of georgia. not now, not ever. he is the most pro-business governor in the history of the state. that is a high bar. he has lowered taxes and regulations and open, put out a sign outside of georgia saying, "open for business." in georgia has been named by development magazine three days ago as the number one state in america to do business, and -- an honor it has had for 11 years. [applause] he passed a tough and strong election integrity bill, and stared down joe biden and kamala harris, woke corporations and yes, even major league baseball. and stood courageously to give us free and fair elections in our state. by the way, the all-star game will be a little bit while from here, next year. eventually, even majorly baseball caved. he is a great friend of faith and freedom. he believes in the values that beat in the hearts and give meaning to the souls of the citizens of our state here please welcome, our friend, the best governor in america, brian kemp. [app

it's the stacey abrams of the world and the cheri beasley's of the world, and this surely choose ohms of the world who ran, but did not win, but who made it easier and possible. who paved the pathway for me to be appointed. in this moment, for these women to be successful in 54 days, but we all do it -- we might all do as the only, but none of us do it alone. that's the challenge of this moment. but most importantly, is it the opportunity that we all have to continue that legacy, to continue to pave those paths across different opportunities of leadership, whether we are talking about public service, whether we are talking about the labor movement, corporate leadership, nonprofit leadership, going out and doing real work as an operating real leadership in the spaces of venture capital, and artificial intelligence. this is our moment, this is our time, and there are those who have made it possible for us, but we may be the only, but we are not doing any of it alone. we covered some of the history of the senate, we have covered the very spiritual nature of the symbolic ships of you all

certain point that they are going to adhere to the result and we had this in georgia when you had stacey abrams who did not necessarily conceived of the election of brian kemp scientists and we knew in that election election happened when field say they signed it and brian raffensperger signed it made 60 candidates throughout the u.s. and now it's launched right before the election. now we are going full on with ford in the carter center with the mccain institute all of this to say we want to have an op-ed or a "cnn" op-ed we did last year. people want their politicians to be held accountable to being and adults. i think his issues come out they will be raised during this campaign season but it's watching for the tail wagging the dog. they are people who voted one way in the last election and won't doha that again and vice versa. people switch sides gesturing facts educating people making sure they understand their vote and i don't know if youou were going to ask about voting. there are voting issues but 10,000 election jurisdictions in the united states, 10,000 in and in georgia we have 159 co

before very long period of time before joe bide and i just think that georgia was very you saw what stacey abrams was labeled to do instead of going concentrating on sub precinct that the sub precinct and able to flip that state and make it purple. you saw warnock and ossoff win, but it still is a very hard not to crack for democrats one of the things that you see an arizona is the fact that immigration looms extremely large. and although we've made up a lot of ground on the issue two, the immigration, we still have work to do, but i will tell you arizona with ruben gallego versus carrie lake means that we have a chance because throughout this maga movement the candidates that the republican party have put up has just stopped. kari lake is getting destroyed by ruben gallego. >> and then you don't have any other races on the ticket in july georgia. >> and so it just makes it ahead of race without anything else in the state of georgia. so all of these races or just slightly different with north carolina probably being the best target to flip no. >> nobody better to talk about it within you, bakari

think back to 2008, the big rally she gave for then candidate barak obama in 2000, he rallied for stacey abrams when she ran for governor in georgia. and then that amazing performance at the dnc where she she brought the house down there talking about black women, obviously, who are the backbone of the democratic party in terms of voting, in terms of organizing, in terms of door door-knocking. but listen, oprah is a superstar to everyone, right? particularly women, suburban women if you will come a harris really need to maximize the turnout among suburban women. black wait asian, latino, and that's what they'll be doing tonight, connecting specifically, i think with a group that works with black women. but you're going to have folks on there who want to donate to want to figure out how they can organize in their own communities. because that's what it's going to take a toll. the elect, the first black woman president is going to take really a ground game like we've never seen before in this country. >> and oprah certainly is going to help by the democratic candidates actually in a recent pew po

because of that, you saw that happened in go back to the 2018 georgia governor primary, there were stacey abrams is running against a white woman who was more liberal than her on the issues, but states it's the abrams as a black woman got raided by a lot of voters as the more liberal candidate in the race. >> so harris has to push back on that, but i think that that's part of why she's not been focusing or even really talking about herself as a woman or a black candidate, you're not going to see that out of her mate tomorrow. she wants to, as i said, talk about what things that you must do for the middle class. talk about ways that she can project strength, what she wants to do on the world stage, which he wants to do in fighting for americans. and at the same time, again, highlight these things that trump has said and let him continue to say them. i think honestly, if we were to have joe biden read the transcript of what donald trump said at the rally that he had in wisconsin over the weekend, that we would think that he had completely lost it the hannibal lecter, all these things sorry, you're

and you know, we had this in georgia when you had stacey abrams, who you know, did not necessarily concede the election, but she signed the candidate principles. and brian kemp signed it. so we knew when that election happened, we would be able to say they signed it. and brad ratzenberger, our secretary of state, and b, when signed it, we had 60 candidates throughout the us and that was just when we launched kind of right before the election. and now we're going full on with it, you know with ford, with the carter center, the baker institute, with the mccain institute, all of this is to say we want to hold, as we said in our op ed, and see in an op ed we did last year, you know, people want their politicians to be held accountable all too, to being adults. and so i think as issues come out, they will get raised during this campaign season. but it's watching for the tail wagging the dog. yeah, i want to get to that squishy middle like again not straight in the middle, but on the sides, because there are people who voted one way in the last election and won't do that again. and voice of the

that is the kind of map that stacey abrams and other grassroots, like black voters matter and others really works to build the coalition that elected senator rafael warnock, and senator john allsop in 2020 and obviously president, joe biden and kamala harris, turning georgia blue in that year, something that vice president harris is obviously hoping to repeat. listen, you have people in that part of the state that are concerned about affordability, about opportunity, and so, to hear, you know, coach walz and vice president harris really down there, trying to rally them, bringing some of that joy , also in the form of encouragement to an area that they know a lot of people are still struggling much kind of trying to strike that balance i think, with something really important in a part of the country that shows kind of where they are, coming out of this convention, focusing on the middle class and focusing on opportunity for folks, like the people in the savannah area these two days. >> erin, it is allie vitelli, i'm glad you started with us, because we started with a friend of yours,