stacey abrams was actually waiting for donald trump to arrive in her state, and she warned voters about what donald trump was going to say today before he arrived. stacey abrams is going to join us later in the hour. and we are going to show a lot of what mary trump has already had to say in her interview with george stef nop lis. mary trump has an awful lot to say. and rachel tomorrow night i'm sure will get at most of it. >> and i'll be watching you tonight, lawrence. have a good evening and a good show. >> thank you. >>> in the clearest possible sign that donald trump knows he is losing his re-election campaign, donald trump tonight fired his campaign manager who had never run a political campaign of any kind in his life before. it is yet another trump firing that proves donald trump was lying when he told his voters four years ago that he hire it is best people. his campaign manager was fired by chris cristie when christy was the governor of new jersey and bill was implicated in the scandal that effectively ended chris cristie's political career, the closing of lanes to punish a local new jersey mayor who was judged to be not loyal enough to chris cristie. so tonight we have the full accounting of just how much of a disaster donald trump's first campaign rally during the coronavirus pandemic actually was. a campaign manager who produced that rally in tulsa, oklahoma is now fired, and the governor of oklahoma who welcomed that super spreading rally to his state and attended it to cheer on donald trump now has coronavirus. and oklahoma is suffering a surge in coronavirus cases. donald trump's lawyers, who lost very badly in the united states supreme court last week, told a federal judge in new york city today that they plan to try a new set of arguments to prevent the manhattan district attorney from obtaining trump's tax returns. donald trump and his lawyers are going to lose once again with federal judge who found their original argument about blocking the subpoena, quote, repugnant to the nation's governmental structure and constitutional values. joyce vance will join us at the end of this hour to consider just how much more time donald trump can delay in the courts before he is ultimately ordered to hand over his tax returns to the manhattan district attorney who, remember, wants those tax returns in a criminal investigation that could lead to donald trump being the first president in history to face criminal prosecution after leaving office, if those tax returns contain any evidence of criminal conduct by donald trump. the white house press secretary reissued donald trump's now five-year-old lie, that he has not released his tax returns like all presidential candidates because his tax returns are under audit. the press secretary said last week, quote, when they're no longer under audit he will release them. i said that was a lie the first time donald trump said it five years ago. first of all, there was no proof that he was being audited five years ago. and, secondly, being audited would not prevent the release of tax returns. every president since richard nixon has released his tax returns and every one of those president's tax returns was actually under official irs audit when they were released because the president and vice president's tax returns are the only tax returns of any individuals that are automatically audited by the irs every year according to irs rules. or at least they used to be. and that's why the chairman of the house ways and means committee, richard neal, demanded to see donald trump's tax returns. chairman neal wants to check if the irs is still following that standard procedure of auditing the president's tax returns. donald trump is fighting that subpoena in court in a separate case, the ways and means committee subpoena. the full story of donald trump can never be told without access to donald trump's tax returns and banking records. the full story of donald trump can never be told without a completion collection of his financial records because with donald trump it's all about the money, as it is with every trump. according to donald trump's niece, mary trump. >> it was all about the money, wasn't it? >> i'm a trump. you know? everything is about money in this family. but i'm also different from them. and for me, what i understood and one of the reasons it was so devastating was that money stood in for everything else. it was literally the only currency the family trafficked it. >> the former editor of new york magazine has been covering donald trump with flawlessly consistent disapproval since the 1980s when carter and he were editing spy magazine where they described donald trump repeatedly as a short fingered vulg vulgarian. he praises mary trump's writing and powers of observation and calls her back the most convincingly empathetic chronicle of donald trump i'd ever read. mary trump brings to her subject the empathy of a trained clinical psychologist, which she is, describing someone who suffered permanent psychological damage in childhood. that's why her empathetic description of donald trump relies so heavily on a description of donald trump's father, who was mary trump's grandfather. >> it all begins with your grandfather. >> oh, absolutely. absolutely. >> you say he's a sociopath. >> yes. >> what do you mean by that? >> he had no empathy. he was incredibly driven in a way that turned other people, including his children, his wife, into pawns to be used to his own ends. if somebody could be of service to him, then he would use them. if they couldn't be, he excised them. >> the now fired trump campaign manager discovered tonight what it feels like to be excised from his job by donald trump. mary trump blames donald trump's father for the disgraceful behavior that we see from donald trump every day. >> one of the unforgivable things my grandfather did to donald was he severely restricted the range of human emotion that was accessible to him, which makes it -- >> what does that mean? >> it means that certain feelings were not allowed. >> like? >> sadness. the impulse to be kind, the impulse to be generous. >> mary trump feels that the dysfunctional trump family dynamic has now infected the nation. >> i feel as i write in the book, that there are so many parallels between the circumstances in which my family operated and in which this country is now operating. i saw firsthand what focussing on the wrong things, elevating the wrong people can do, the collateral damage that can be created by allowing somebody to live their lives without accountability. sgln donald trump is now facing the ultimate accountability. it is going very, very badly for donald trump. a new poll has joe biden now with an 11 point lead over donald trump nationally. 51-40. and american voters overwhelmingly agree with joe biden about wearing masks. 70% of voters say they always wear masks when shopping and being around others when outside the home. donald trump has made the choice to run not just against joe biden but to also run against dr. anthony fauci. but he lives in fear of fauci's polling popularity. so he's having others attack dr. fauci for him. dr. fauci discussed the white house attacks against him in an interview with the atlantic. >> the government you are trying to advice is actively trying to discredit you. how do you work like that? >> well, that is a bit bizarre, i have to tell you. i think if i sit here and shrug my shoulders and say, that's life in the fast lane, it doesn't do anything but reflect poorly on them. and i don't think that that was their intention. i don't know. i cannot figure out in my wildest dreams why they would want to do that. but, i mean, i think they realize now that that was not a prudent thing to do because it's only reflecting negatively on them. >> the atlantic conducted a series of interviews with dr. fauci this week. some of it does not appear on video. the printed portion contains all of the passages of the interviews. dr. fauci goes on to say, ultimately it hurts the president to do that. when the staff lets out something like that and the entire scientific and press community push back on it, it ultimately hurts the president. dr. fauci says that he hasn't spoke with donald trump in a long time, but he did speak to the white house chief of staff about the attacks on him. white house chief of staff did not apologize for those attacks on dr. fauci. dr. fauci answered the question we have all been wondering about in the printed version of the interview, dr. fauci was asked, have you thought about resigning. dr. fauci said, no, i think the problem is too important for me to get into those kinds of thoughts and discussions. i just want to do my job. i'm really good at it. i think i can contribute and i'm going to keep doing it. fauci is 79 years old. he has provided invaluable service to this country for decades. we are very lucky that he is going to keep doing that as long as he possibly can. and so the last question he was asked in this interview is, in some ways, the most important. >> how are you doing? how are you coping? >> you know, adam, i'm doing okay. i'm doing fine. i say the fumes are really thick, so it's enough to keep me going. i wish we didn't have a lot of those distractions, which i think are noise that get in the way. but i put that aside, try not to let it bother me and just move ahead. >> leading off our discussion tonight are democratic congressman eric swalwell. also with us eugene robinson, pulitzer prize winning columnist. and congressman swal we, i want your reaction first of all to anthony fauci's position in this administration where he's being attacked by members of the administration. but donald trump himself of course fearing dr. fauci's popularity is afraid to say anything specifically negative about dr. fauci. but what do you make of the situation and how it affects the government's ability to deal with this pandemic when the white house is attacking one of the leaders of fighting this pandemic? >> good evening, lawrence. and hello, eugene. donald trump is a coward. this falls right in line with what we saw him do with, you know, bob mueller. over and over, you know, he would publically and privately undermine mueller. he would not actually fire him because he knew the public wanted mueller to continue his investigation. donald trump knows that the public overwhelmingly wants to listen to dr. fauci, but because donald trump knows that dr. fauci's advice is contrary to what he is telling people, he looks at this just as mary trump describes. how does this affect me? he doesn't think about how it affecting everyone else. so right now the president finds himself in the unusual position of being for confederate monuments and against masks. that is wildly out wide where most americans are. >> gene robinson, it is now as if mary trump is narrating the news. she's doing an accompaniment to the news. she tells us about how donald trump's father would just get rid of people when they weren't helping him, and then donald trump gets rid of his campaign manager. just does exactly what mary trump would have told you that he would do under these circumstanc circumstances. and then this struggle with dr. fauci is part of the picture of donald trump that mary trump paints. talk about family values. it is an extraordinary picture. and the real misfortune, though, lawrence, is what's happening to the country. you know, while the psycho drama is being played out inside the trump family and inside donald trump's head, he's presiding over an unmitigated disaster with the coronavirus. it is just astounding that the united states is incapable of dealing with a virus that is daunting, that is deadly, but that other countries have managed to get under control. and the president has actually militated against effectively responding to the virus. it is american tragedy we see unfolding but on the level of our national daily life. >> mary trump tells us what donald trump cannot feel. he can't feel normal human emotions and empathy and so he's not worried about what happens if children go back to school. he's not worried about how many teachers will die. he's not worried about children getting brain damage from coronavirus. mary trump tells us he cannot feel sadness. and you can see mary trump's sadness in donald trump's inability to feel sadedneness a what that means for the country now. >> we're all paying the price for someone that can't feel sadness. it sounds like if you reason to mary trump, those that love the president and aren't related to him or didn't know him very well, but i'm worried, lawrence, that because he can't show empathy, he won't take up anything in the heroes act which still sits waiting in the senate for a vote which shows empathy to health care workers, which extends unemployment, which helps state and local governments. as gene pointed out, americans are suffering because the president, the reason he was impeached puts his personal and political interests above the countries. >> gene, the polling today on the presidential campaign shows there simply is not in the polling right now a path to victory for donald trump. in the nbc poll, 50% say they absolutely never under any circumstances will vote for donald trump. so 50% are locked away. >> yeah. >> unavailable to him. and joe biden just needs to build on that. >> yeah. the polling we saw today, especially the nbc poll, but there were other polls out today as well, it's just brutal. and you picked the number that is the most difficult for the president. 50% of voters simply will under no circumstances vote to re-elect this man. so if that entire half of the electorate is off limits to you and there is another 13% that could go either way. you're not going to get all of those either. so clearly if the election were tomorrow, it would -- it would be a massive defeat for president trump. now we've got four months to go. things could change. normal disclaimer. but this is strikingly bad polling for an incumbent president at this stage of a campaign for re-election. and i can't think of a single one that has recovered from these kinds of deficits. and he's heading rapidly in the wrong direction because, as the congressman said, he's on the wrong side of the huge titanic issues that we're dealing with right now. he's on the wrong side of dealing with the coronavirus. he's on the wrong side of racial justice. >> and he thinks firing the campaign manager is the solution to all of that. congressman eric swalwell, eugene robinson, thank you both for starting us off tonight. we appreciate it. >> glad to be here. >>> when we come back, donald trump went to georgia today for another campaign event illegally paid for by american taxpayers. stacey abrams reminded georgia voters what the president should be doing today to fight the coronavirus. stacey abrams will join us next. they will, but with accident forgiveness allstate won't raise your rates just because of an accident, even if it's your fault. cut! sonny. was that good? 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