stacey abrams on the for, what, 30 seconds? stacey abrams has this tremendous track record of galvanizing people of all colors, but especially people of color, and i also think, you know, with the aoc discussion, i'm getting tons of texts from my team and my friends, like, what was that? like, they need her somewhere else. and i know that we can write whole think pieces about that and why that was. of course she's a longtime bernie supporter, but i just really want the party to gel. in order for the country to heal, as jill biden said, the party has to gel, and that means bringing in folks who aren't necessarily democratic leadership or a part of governance committees or any, you know, in any particular caucus in the party, but they are voters who normally vote democratic and normally vote progressive. it is very, very important to get that right this week. we are almost out of time. >> well, and we are out of time. >> that's right. the election is on november 9th. we have a little bit of time. >> no, no, i meant we're out of time for this segment. >> right now. >> oh. >> come on, now. angela, it's early in l.a. so -- >> right? >> let me tell you, since -- since we're out of time, let me just give you this little footnote. tell your boy cuomo that too short was not in the ghetto boys, that was bush wick beale in houston, texas. >> bring it in. bring it in. is he there? >> get it right, cuomo. >> that's true. you're right. angela, this is what it looks like when you're admitting that you were wrong about something, by the way. just for future reference. >> oh, i've never seen you do it. let me see it again. you are such a liar. you are a liar. cuomo, you don't do it. >> i had the big point right. >> i was just sitting there looking at him like, what are you talking? >> you googled it. you googled it. you weren't even alive for the ghetto boys. >> who, me or angela? >> that's a lie, cuomo, and here's the thing. >> look at them yelling at me. bring it on. >> your mind's playing tricks on you. ♪ >> here we go. >> okay. >> i can move. don't sleep on it. >> hey, listen -- all right, listen, i hate to break up this whole thing, but i do have to say, angela, i think you're right about the criticism about aoc. chris and i have been talking about that. some of the more progressive members of the party. they may try to get it right before the end of this convention. let's see -- let's see if they do or at least add a couple more voices. they took chris right off the screen. whoop, like that. he's gone. so, thanks -- >> i took all karen's time. can karen say something? >> karen? >> the women have been bringing it. so the pressure is on the fellas to kick it up several notches. >> why do you think i have both of you on? karen, don't call the cops on us because we got to go. >> i'm talking about the convention, brother. i'm talking about the convention. this is a shady crew. this is a shady crew. >> i'm telling you, this is what goes on. >> you started it by calling out chris so i got to go. thank you, angela. thank you, karen. thanks, chris. we'll be right back. he used to have gum problems. now, he uses therabreath healthy gums oral rinse with clinically-proven ingredients and his gum problems have vanished. (crowd applauding) therabreath, it's a better mouthwash. at walmart, target and other fine stores. iredefined the wordng th'school' this year. it's a better mouthwash. it's why, at xfinity, we're committed to helping kids keep learning through the summer. and help college students studying at home stay connected through our university program. we're providing affordable internet access to low income families through our internet essentials program. and this summer, xfinity is creating a virtual summer camp for kids at home- all on xfinity x1. we're committed to helping all families stay connected. learn more at xfinity.com/education. >>> you know, sometimes we dance around the obvious and there's no need. of course this convention is weird. we're living in weird times. we're in the middle of a pandemic. we have a huge social activism movement going on that's barely getting any attention. yes, times are very weird. so the parties, starting with the democrats, are going to try to adapt to that. try to use it. try to find ways to resonate, to connect. some will work, some won't, and we will catalog both with one of the best minds in the business. chris cillizza. let's talk dnc hits and misses. i know you're a big rap aficionado. yes, i was wrong about too short. he was west coast and ghetto boys were houston. for point of reference. >> bushwick bill, r.i.p. if i'm not mistaken, he passed away. >> i'm getting it on social media. we all remember that song, my mind's playing tricks on me. i believe it was isaac hayes, the hook. i'm sure somebody will tell me. >> it feels good to be a gangster, chris cuomo. >> of course it does. what were the hits? >> all right. hits. you touched on it a little bit earlier, but i want to go back to it. i thought the mccain video -- i have written about this, you and i talked about it. i'm not a big believer in republicans at the democratic convention. i don't think it changes much. but that video i thought was really powerful. cindy mccain's voice there, hearing john mccain's voice. i think it also wasn't just powerful in the moment. it reminds people of why joe biden, the core message there. joe biden puts people over party politics. and in the white house what you have right now is the opposite of that. now, what do people want? that's an open question. but i thought that video -- that for me and i'll go to my second one if you don't mind, chris. someone who i think if you follow politics at all you know a guy who was struck down with als, lough gehrig's disease. as a dad, the video of him playing with his son, the necessity of health care. i always say put aside politics a little bit and just watch this, the power of that video. a guy who just had had a child with his wife and suddenly gets this diagnosis and is turned into a health care activist. i thought that was really, really powerful, which is worried because i thought the two most powerful things were videos, right? not speeches. the third thing that i thought was pretty good, angela touched on this the last segment, jill biden. she's not michelle obama as a speaker but, like, no one almost is with the potential of barack obama, right? so i think that's okay. i think what she did, don, mention this, what she did is powerful testimonial that this is a guy whose life has been in some ways tragic but who has defined his life not by the tragedies, not by the loss of his wife and his young daughter, not by the loss of his son beau, but by what he did. he got up, right? not how many times you get knocked down, it's how many times you get up. so i thought she was quite good in that regard. last hit, i thought the state roll call was better than the regular roll call. i like the roll call they typically say, you know, from the great nutmeg state. >> i usually ignore it. this one worked. >> it was way better. >> and i think you'll see that going forward, right? misses. i need to go through this quick, chris. i'll put john kerry, bill clinton, chuck schumer all in the same group there. just politicians sort of old-timy establishment. i didn't really see what they added. candidly, i think putting bill clinton in there is a little bit of a mistake. this is a -- obviously we have george floyd. we have talk race. we have coronavirus. but let's not forget that, you know, one of the biggest changes in our country is the way that zblif. >> me too. >> the way we're viewing men and men in power. bill clinton i don't think is representative of that. i don't think he did that much with his speech. i want to mention alexandria ocasio-cortez before we go, chris. i don't think her speech was bad. it was, you know, it was nominating bernie sanders to a job he was never going to get. >> yeah, i agree with you. >> the democratic nominee. but, to me, i compared it to -- you go to a yankee game and aaron judge pinch hits. >> yeah. >> there's a lot of talent there that wasn't tapped into. >> i agree. >> i know that's not the face joe biden wants to put on the party right now, but she is someone of immense political talent who has a real following. >> she didn't even say his name. >> right. i think that -- i put her in the misses not because she missed, but because i think it was a missed opportunity. >> 100%. 100%. but i still think she should have said his name. >> she should have probably said his name, but i do think -- bill clinton, john kerry, a lot of older white guys for a party that is young and diverse. and, yes, i know we have the montage at the beginning, that 17-person keynote, all younger faces. >> no, no, no, aoc should have had more time given what this party went through in the primary. so should have staceybrams. angela rye's right about that also. she didn't know the hook from the ghetto boys song, but you can't hold that against her. people have strengths and weaknesses. chris cillizza, you have no weaknesses other than you have too many strengths. >> my only weakness is that i care too much, i believe. >> yeah, that's it. that's what i meant to say. take care. first, and, look, i know i keep going back to coronavirus. why? one, it's still getting me and i'm hearing from more of you every day about long-haul syndrome and these symptoms aren't going away. people are dying. it's moving into the heartland. and we're still not doing the things that we need to do. this president should have put his arms around it. instead he pushed it away. first it was taking advice, you know, from the demon semen doctor. how many times have i said that? i can't believe i just said that. this is the days we're living in. now it's the mypillow guy. i'll tell you the truth, i don't know which one is more dep