and to the far right, stacey winn. panelists thank you for joining us. the first question is talking about the growing iot microcosm that is increasing the surface. despite many cios, they continue to struggle with understanding what their network topography looks like. this is obviously only going to get worse, not get better. we are going talk about why this continues to be a struggle and what leverage they can make or understand what their network actually looks like and the device that is on it. i open it up to anybody. >> i'll start. the idea of the internet of things is a nifty idea. the problem lies, if i can access a system for my job, an hva system, a pharmacy within a store, then i can certainly transverse the network to get to where i need to go to get credit cards or any information i want to get because it's costly to have separate networks for each one. they are all networked at the physical layer. there are technologies out there that can allow you to, through policy and software, isolate the machine so they only speak to certain machines,