>> yeah. >> why, stacy? >> you know, you know, first of all there's the whole cycle of violence where after they beat you up, they apologize, they send you flowers. they tell you how amazing you are. that's a big piece. the other piece is women tend to blame themselves. so just like rihanna is saying, well, i wouldn't stop relenting. there's lots of people that are persistent and don't get hit. >> taking your calls.

why, stacy? >> you know, first of all, there's the whole cycle of violence where after they beat you up, they apologize, they send you flowers. they tell you how amazing you are. that's a big piece. the other piece is women tend to blame themselves. just like rihanna is saying i wouldn't stop relenting. there are lots of people that are persistent and don't get hit. >>> there's no way he could have been there. and there's no way somebody got on base and shot people unless it was one of our own. and then not a half hour after i said that, it was on the news that it was one of -- one of our own soldiers. >> one of their own. speaking through his grief, the brother of a soldier killed in a massacre at ft. hood. the alleged gunman, an army psychiatrist, someone who is supposed to help soldiers. now accused of killing 13 of his fellow comrades. and it could have been worse if it wasn't for the hero who took this guy down. we will hear her incredible story. and what about him? his name linked to radica

let's bring in stacy kyser, our psychotherapist. people hear this and wonder why wouldn't these women come forward? what is the mindset there when they have faced really could be death in anthony sowell? >> i mean, the kind of reasoning that i hear usually comes in two had different directions. either they don't want to relive it. they've had a traumatic experience. they don't want to have to go through the specifics of it all over again. then the other reason is that they really feel embarrassed that -- they don't know there are other people involved. they feel very alone and don't want to shame themselves. >> robin sax, i know you've dealt with sex crimes victims. in this case are we talking about young ladies that maybe have had a run-in with the law and that factors? >> absolutely. this is a classic case. victims unfortunately make good victims, people who have been victimized before. people like sowell spend their time targeting people who are going to be least likely to report. the most appear bad in terms of law enforcement.

joining us, we welcome back stacy kaiser, our psychotherapist. antonio castelan, reporter xetv in san diego who has been covering this. let's get more of the details out there, antonio. when did this bank robbing spree allegedly begin? >> supposedly it started on september 29th in poway. fbi agents are investigating that, and they believe that roxanne pennock may have robbed that bank. then on october 13th, a u.s. bank in the poway area was robbed. and then there were two other makes in the temecula area that were robbed recently, just a couple of weeks ago. >> so four banks in all. was she violent? did anybody get hurt in all this? how did those robberies go down? >> well, police say that she wasn't violent at all. she would go in, sometimes with a gun, and she would put a demand note and give it to the teller and just leave with some cash, didn't harm anybody. >> all right. do we know any -- let me ask you this first off. she's married. there's a husband in the picture. what's he saying? did he know anything? >> we went to his house yesterday.

. >> to stacy newman, our producer on the story. stacy, it's my prediction that they will find -- that at the beginning -- and i'm using 2005, when he got out of the pen, as the beginning. he was more careful in hiding the bodies. but then going on ten bodies he started getting careless and did not hide them as well. tell me what you know, stacy newman, about the neighbors. it's my understanding they noticed something bizarre and they complained to their city councilman. >> this is a big bone much of contention tonight, nancy. neighbors are reporting they smelled a foul odor for years in this neighborhood including a city councilman that called the health inspector wanting to know where the stench is coming from. now, there is a sausage company in this neighborhood, sausage. everyone believed the smell was coming from the sausage company. fast-forward to today. uh-oh. coming from decomposing bodies inside sowell'shaggerty, joinin outside of sowell's home -- everybody, we're taking your calls live. this is a stunning turn of events.

bill grady at kmbc, stacy kaiser and eric richmond. bill, the new arrest, daryl mohler, that's the father's brother. but he's claiming innocence here, huh? >> he is claiming, yeah, as a matter of fact, mike, he is claiming innocence. he is claiming he has had very little contact with his brother. when he made his first appearance it was a deer in the headlights situation. he said he didn't know anything about this. he was a retired guy in florida and just living a quiet life and doesn't know where any of this came from. >> did one of the alleged victims come forward and say it was him? >> there is a total of seven victims. i was told over the weekend at least four or five more are expected. he has been named by at least one. again, this is one of those things you can well appreciate, mike, the authorities are holding close to the vest about who said what about whom and when it occurred. >> let's go to eric richmond, our attorney. help us out and the viewers as well. how are you going to prove this? these crimes could be 20 years old, 1

i want to go out to stacy in california. hi, stacy? >> hi, nancy. >> hi, dear, what's your question? >> caller: my question is, what was the mother thinking of doing this to her 5-year-old child? and i believe that my husband and i believe that she was on crack cocaine or some sort? this is just really bizarre -- >> hold on, stacy, repeat the question? >> caller: i just want to know what she was thinking, doing this to her 5-year-old child. >> you know, i'm going to throw that to byron coleman, he is there with his father, shaniya's father, i know you guys have seen the mom in court, you've seen the video of that guy, mario mcneill with her. you guys knew antoinette. how could she just hand the baby over, byron? >> that's something, it's just hard to believe, a mother would just hand a baby over to a complete -- i don't know. i don't know. >>> everyone, with me right now is shaniya's brother, he is seated there along with shaniya's father, who had just asked me, off-camera, to convey thanks to you and to everyone who has prayed for and

. >> stacy newman, our producer on the story. stacy, what more can you tell me about the little girl? >> this little girl, 2-year-old baby hailey, cops believe she is in extreme danger tonight, nancy. why? because her mother was violently assaulted moments before she was snatched and taken by her biological father. >> okay. back to dennis hoey. dennis, i know this is the only amber alert out of the entire state of maine. and it is a parental kidnap. a lot of people don't take that as seriously as other like stranger abductions. what do we know about the father, dennis? >> we know that the father, nancy, is her biological father, but i'm pretty certain right now from what police have been telling me that he is not married to the victim, lisa gould. that's the mother of the girl. he lives in kennebunk, which is a town near sanford, with his parents. and he has a child, a 12-year-old child by a prior marriage who does not live with him and his parents. >> so he doesn't have -- whoa, whoa, did you say him and his parents? >> he lives

why, stacy? >> you know, you know, first of all, the whole cycle of violence where after they beat you up they apologize and send you flowers and tell you how amazing you are and the other big piece is women tend to blame themselves. just like rihanna is saying i wouldn't stop relenting. a lot of people are persistent and don't get hit. >> 1-877-tell-hln is the number. 8 >>> tonight an "issues "special presentation. cases that changed america. for the next hour i'll examine high profile trials that for better or for worse forever altered america's justice system. from the spectacle of the michael jackson molestation trial, where he was found not guilty on all counts. the media circus outside the courtroom, as bizarre as the twists and turns on the witness stand. i'll analyze how celebrity complicates cases in this 24/7 news culture and whether a different standard of justice applies to stars. >>> to trials that create celebrity. scott peterson killed his pregnant wife but before he was sentenced

stacy, what more can you tell me? what can you tell me about the little girl? >> this little girl, 2-year-old baby hailey, cops believe she is in extreme danger tonight, nancy. why? because her mother was violently assaulted moments before she was snatched and taken by her biological father. >> okay. back to dennis hoey. dennis, i know this is the only amber alert out of the entire state of maine. and it is a parental kidnap. a lot of people don't take that as seriously as other like stranger abductions. what do we know about the father, dennis? >> we know that the father, nancy, is her biological father, but i'm pretty certain right now from what police have been telling me that he is not married to the victim, lisa gould. that's the mother of the girl. he lives in kennebunk, which is a town near sanford, with his parents. and he has a child, a 12-year-old child by a prior marriage who does not live with him and his parents. >> so he doesn't have -- whoa, whoa, did you say him and his parents? >> he lives with his parents in kennebunk. >> he's 38 years old and

why, stacy? >> you know, first of all, there's the whole cycle of violence where after they beat you up, they apologize, they send you flowers, they tell you how amazing you are. that's a big piece. the other piece is women tend to blame themselves. so just like rihanna's saying well, i wouldn't stop relenting. there's lots of people that are persistent and don't get hit. >> we will take calls on this one. c >>> tonight, what the hell is going on in our country? every time you look up at the tv, there's another mass shooting. wreaking havoc across our nation. why does this keep happening? first, a bloody massacre cripples the heart of texas, killing 13 people as an army psychiatrist allegedly goes berserk. now the very next day, a gunman in florida walks into a high rise building and opens fire on innocent people. the alleged shooter, a former employee who got fired from his job two years ago. why does anyone resort to killing innocent people? what's happening to our see site

stacy, when we hear this, how could someone be accused of killing at least 11 but on the other hand you have a girlfriend saying he took good care of me. how is that? >> well, taking good care of somebody is very relative. good care of in her mind is he fed her and put a roof over her head. i would want to get to the bottom of what was so great about their relationship. >> michelle, in your years of covering cases, have you ever heard anything like that? >> no. >> someone accused of something so heinous and someone saying good boyfriend? >> no. i sure haven't. this case just blows my mind, really. to have this many bodies literally rotting inside of the house. one of the victims was reported missing in 2007 and could have been in the house for as long as two years. up until that point it is very disturbing. just got word that the eighth and the ninth victims have been identified. i want to give you their names right now. janice webb and kim yvette smith. cadaver dogs are searching through the neighborhood to see if there are more bodies. >> let's bring in zach reed, councilman, clevelan

. >> stacy, what have we learned as we went to air tonight? >> reporter: when you think it couldn't get more bizarre, we uncovered that anthony sowell controlled a sex fetish website. was he using it to lure victims? we don't know. what i can tell you is weeks after his release from prison, he put up a profile wanting to dominate women using the sex fetish website. >> you are seeing the anthony sowell profile from a sex fetish website, alt.com, the one stacy is describing now. are you telling me he did this just weeks after getting out of the pen on attempted rape? >> just weeks. and, what we are uncovered is his last log in was at least three months ago. >> we are taking your calls live. to barbara in maryland. hi, barbara. >> caller: hi, nancy. >> hi, dear. what's your question. >> caller: if only there were more people like you in the world, we would be much better off. your twins are angels. my question is, why on earth wasn't anyone watching this monster when he was released from prison? >> to sergeant scott, sergeant i've never seen -- a

stacy company hahn was at today's service. >> reporter: the people -- stacey cohan was at today's service. >> reporter: the people came from all corners of our community. sports moguls and politicians joined everyday works at the verizon center to honor abe pollin. >> he walked comfortably with presidents and prime ministers and with people that were homeless. that's what everyone admired about him. >> reporter: ai pollin earned his fortune building housing which afforded the son of a russian immigrant the chance to indulge his greatest passion, by buying the washington bullets basketball team and later the washington capitals. he told the hockey team to ted in 1999 who remembered pollin wanting more than just money. >> he wanted to know that his baby was in good hands and that we shared the same view on how the team was a public trust and that it's a platform to give back to the community. >> he was more excited than anybody. he was -- i'll never forget the pictures of him in the locker room in seattle and the whole thing. he just totally loved it. >> reporter: but some would say pollin'

. >> stacy newman, our producer on the story. stacy, what more can you tell me?le girl? >> this little girl, 2-year-old baby hailey, cops believe she is in extreme danger tonight, nancy. why? because her mother was violently assaulted moments before she was snatched and taken by her biological father. >> okay. back to dennis hoey. dennis, i know this is the only amber alert out of the entire state of maine. and it is a parental kidnap. a lot of people don't take that as seriously as other like stranger abductions. what do we know about the father, dennis? >> we know that the father, nancy, is her biological father, but i'm pretty certain right now from what police have been telling me that he is not married to the victim, lisa gould. that's the mother of the girl. he lives in kennebunk, which is a town near sanford, with his parents. and he has a child, a 12-year-old child by a prior marriage who does not live with him and his parents. >> so he doesn't have -- whoa, whoa, did you say him and his parents? >> he lives with his parents in kennebunk. >> he's 38 years

>> stacy honowitz, that's an excellent point, diane. >> i think that's a great question. i think you've been trying to address that for months now. unfortunately, you know, we do all these cases, we sit here and talk about that you can't be safe anywhere and jane, although you say we try to modify the behavior of women, there is one thing you have to remember. you still do have to try to protect yourself. i'm not saying you shouldn't be safer in your own home. you still do have to take precautions because you see what goes on. i think there needs to be longer sentences when we have violent attacks on women. women have to know they have to come to court if something happens to them so that these guys go away. the reason why they are one of the aggravating factors in seeking the death penalty in this case is the fact that he had that prior vicious attack on the other woman. hopefully they'll be able to get it. >> up next, the steve phillips love saga starts a new chapter. his ex-lover saying she's the victim. plus disturbing new developments in the search for somer thorpe s

. >> and to stacy, our producer on the story, what else can you tell us? >> let me tell you about the other victim they have identified today, nancy. her name is 31-year-old in june of this year. she is from east cleveland and to make a positive i.d. from her, cops had to take dna from one of her small children. >> so she leaves small children behind. speaking of the victims. 11 lady victims that we know of so far. the excavation, tearing down, literally tearing down the walls, set to start looking for more dead ladies. there's the possibility tonight that 14 more women may be dead. and at the hands of former marine anthony sowell. that would raise the tally to 25 dead women. >>> with me right now, very special guests, joining us at their family home, barbara carmichael, the mother of victim. also with her, donna carmichael, her daughter. also joining us, deborah williams, the aunt of talacia fortson, her body identified today. first, to barbara carmichael, the mother of murder victim tonya carmichael. and as they are speaking, rosy, i would like you to sh

. >> well, police say keith king and stacy lynne legg-king have been taking luggage for at least a year, walking off with it. routine baggage claim checks were stopped to cut out costs. airport officials say they will discuss putting them back in effect. you don't say. so the new part of that story was -- i mean, they found luggage like a couple days ago -- they found even more like stacked up. >> i love the picture of the two people that allegedly did it. it looked like they raid add suitcase from 1983, put it all on. >> including hair and wigs. >> the hair. what's going on, robin? good to see you back. we had a hurricane around nicaragua and honduras. right now it's a tropical depression. the spin is still there. it's moving up towards the north in a northerly direction about six miles per hour. it is expected to make another emergence into the water. it could gain a little bit of strength. look at the path that goes up to that channel and bends by wednesday morning as a possibility of a tropical storm. we might be looking at a hand fall, a tropical storm in the u.s. soil sometime the

. >> police say keith king and stacy lynn legg king have been taking luggage from the airport for at least a year. airport officials say they're going to continue putting the security there back into effect. you don't say. they're accused of taking the stuff? did you ever do anything with it? >> was it like a fetish thing? are they looking for underpants or what's the story there? >> he says it. hi, bob. >> it's kind of strange. what's going on, rob? i want to start across the tropics right now because we're still watching ida. it is interacting with land in the nicaragua-honduras border. it is throwing a lot of rain especially on the coast of honduras right now. this situation will emerge back into the water, and once that happens, it has a chance to restrengthen just a bit. i want to show you the path of this as it heads over cancun over the weekend and mid-week next week, it's in the gulf of mexico as a tropical storm. i want you to look at this because we're not done with hurricane season yet. this is something we'll be watching over the next couple days, especially the florida c

. >> to stacy newman, our producer on the story.tacey, it's my prediction that they will find -- that at the beginning -- and i'm using 2005, when he got out of the pen, as the beginning. he was more careful in hiding the bodies. but then going on ten bodies he started getting careless and did not hide them as well. tell me what you know, stacey newman, about the neighbors. it's my understanding they noticed something bizarre and they complained to their city councilman. >> this is a big bone of contention tonight, nancy. neighbors are reporting they smelled a foul odor for years in this neighborhood including a city councilman that called the health inspector wanting to know where the stench is coming from. now, there is a sausage company in this neighborhood, nancy, ray's sausage. everyone believed the smell was coming from the sausage company. fast-forward to today. uh-oh. coming from decomposing bodies inside sowell's home. >> well, another thing. back to dan haggerty joining us outside of sowell's home -- everybody, we're takin

. >> and to stacy, our producer on the story, what else can you tell us? >> let me tell you about the other victim they have identified today, nancy. her name is 31-year-old telashia fortson. she went missing in june of this year. she is from east cleveland and to make a positive i.d. from her, cops had to take dna from one of her small children. >> so she leaves small children behind. speaking of the victims. 11 lady victims that we know of so far. the excavation, tearing down, literally tearing down the walls, set to start looking for more dead ladies. there's the possibility tonight that 14 more women may be dead. and at the hands of former marine anthony sowell. that would raise the tally to 25 dead women. >>> with me right now, very special guests, joining us at their family home, barbara carmichael, the mother of victim tonia carmichael. also with her, donna carmichael, her daughter. also joining us, deborah williams, the aunlt of victim talacia fortson, her body identified today. first, to barbara carmichael, the mother of murder victim tonia carmic

. >> and to stacy, our producer on the story, what else can you tell us? >> her name is 31-year-old in june of this year. she's from and she leaves small children behind, speaking of the victim. >> 11 lady victims that we know of so far. the excavation, tearing down, literally tearing down the walls, set to start looking for more deadly -- >> there's a possible teep tonight that 14 more women may be dead. and at the hands of former marine anthony sowell. that would raise the tally to 25 dead women. >>> with me right now, very special guests, joining us at their family home bar car mike kell. also with her, donna carmichael, her daughter. also joining us, deborah williams, the aunt of talacia horton i would love to show those beautiful photos that we have of tonya carmichael. look at that smile. look at her. to her mother, ms. carmichael, thank you for being with us. when did you learn your daughter was one of the victims allegedly of anthony sowell? >> tuesday. and thank you for having us. it's tuesday afternoon. was it wednesday? the days are melting toge

stacy says, distract the child, support the mom. keep them coming.o to cnn.com/robin and click on the facebook link. we'll read them all morning. i lieu the family flights. all the screaming kids together. >> when is there a time and a place for a screaming kid, that's what i want to know? >> actually, our senior producer says we've had a lot of suggestions about the family flights only. >>> after getting hit by a fastball, alex rodriguez responded by hitting back. the latest on the world series. here's rafer. >> good morning. this guy's had a real sort of change of life events. he's in that whole steroid controversy and now he could end up being the world series mvp. kate hudson? >> kate hudson. >> very first pitch a-rod saw a 90-mile-an-hour fastball in his back, third time they hit him in two days. they weren't happy. the umps said, cool it, everybody. two outs ninth inning, score tied a-rod hits back. he knocked in the even actual game-winning run and the yankees are one win away from winning it all. >>> other news it was the return of the 40-yea

. >> hold on, stacy, repeat the question. >> caller: i want to know what she was thinking, because of doing this to her 5-year-old child. >> you know what? i'm going to throw that to byron coleman, he is there with his father, shaniya's father. i know you guys have seen the mom in court. you've seen the video of that guy, mario mcneill, with her. you knew antoinette. how could she just hand the baby over, byron? >> and that's something, i mean, it's hard to believe a mother would hand a child over to a complete -- i don't know. >>> everyone, with me right now is shaniya's brother. he is seated there along with shaniya's father, who had just asked me off camera to convey thanks to you and to everyone who has prayed for and cared for shaniya, and mr. lockhart, i just can't tell you how much your suffering has touched so many of us, and we want you to know that you're in our prayers. i know that you don't want to talk on camera and you're there supporting byron and i understand that. byron, if in the last few moments we have, your father asked that i make sure shaniya is not forgotten. c

we got a call into "showbiz on call" from stacy in alabama, who's actually sticking up from chris. >>hris brown situation. i think people just need to give him a second chance. everyone makes mistakes. just think about how many people who have skeletons in their closet and how many people's careers would be changed if those skeletons were to come out. >> we also heard from lynn who called into "showbiz on call" from california. lynn says it took a lot of courage for rihanna to speak out and she knows from experience how hard it can be to leave an abuser. >> caller: i would like to applaud rihanna for finally coming out. i was abused for ten years by my kids' father. and for her to stand up like that, it took me ten years to get out of this relationship. and every time i see somebody abused, i feel bad. i would like to applaud rihanna, because she's probably saving somebody's life. thank you, rihanna, for standing up. >> thank you, lynn. please call us at "showbiz on call" to let us know what's on your mind. >> the "showbiz on call" phone lines are open 24/7. the number, 1-888-sbt-buzz

what more can you tell me about the story, stacy? >> let me tell you about the other victim that they've identified today, nancy. her name is 31-year-old talasha fortson. she went missing in june of this year. she's from east cleveland. and we have found out that in order to make a positive i.d. on her, cops had to take dna from one of her small children. >> so she leaves small children behind. speaking of the victims, 11 lady victims that we know of so far. the excavation, the tearing down, literally tearing down the walls of this home set to start looking for more dead ladies. there's the possibility tonight that 14 more women may be dead at the hands of former marine anthony sowell. that would raise the tally to 25 dead women. with me right now very special guests, joining us at their family home, barbara carmichael, the mother of victim taronia carmichael and also with her donita carmichael, her daughter. and also joining us debra williams, she's the aunt of victim telacia fortson, her body identified today. first, to barbara car

. >> well, police say keith king and stacy lynne legg king had been stealing from phoenix sky harbor airport for one year and video showed king parking in the garage and walking to the baggage claim area to take luggage. that's a lot of luggage. >> that's true. >>> wait until you see this video. a women's soccer game got ugly as players were punching each other. a women's soccer game. >> never seen anything like it. it's amazing in this video, as amazing as it is, is the reaction by the referees which is nothing. no reaction. let's take you to it. byu taking on new mexico. number 15 for new mexico in red, an elbow to the chest so she gives a shot to the back. and then takes down this girl right there. it's just getting started, folks. and then takes down that one. that should have been a yellow card. nope. nothing. here they get tangled up again. watch this right here. the pony tail takedown of byu's cassidy chumway. wow. froze her right to the ground. the referees do not see it. lambert was never kicked out. she did get a yellow card for arguing a different call but she should be su

staci is calling from indiana. tell us your take on this. i understand you're a soldier. concern is releasing the picture puts peoples' lives in danger. but you say you don't think the public needs to know everything the military does to keep the country safe. >> caller: i'm a veteran. i've been home for eight months now. i'm not active soldier right now if you want to observe and pick at the military strategies i advise you to enlist in the military. transparency is an issue for certain policies. i.e., health care and tacks. transparency in the military equals disaster. i'm sorry. i'm just saying that if you have an experienced poker player, you don't see him showing his opponents all his cards. i don't feel like us in the u.s. military should neither. i understand the transparency issu issue. >> you think that we're better off not knowing about some things. it would be a benefit for the country. thank you. >> thank you for your phone call and your service. she is understandably passionate. she's been there. lots of comments on my facebook page as well. she said the abus

. >> an email for you from stacy lee. contribute to the debate over euthanasia methods used at local animal control facilities? >> well, of course, the guidelines recommend overdose of anesthetic as the gold standard method of euthanasia for pets. and you've got to have skilled people to do it. it's a really unpleasant job. also we need to be working on cutting down on the amount of dogs and cats that are getting bred and most responsible animals shelters don't let them get spade and neutered so we don't have so many cats and dogs but you've got to have the right people doing it. there are some methods that are clearly not acceptable. and the reparable shelters don't use them. >> jenny from baltimore emails in. she has a 5-year-old daughter with autism. we are thinking of using monnesoori over that. >> there's a lot of controversy or ava, or floor time. every expert will agree with young autistic kids, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 years old it's really important you've got to keep them engaged with the world, 20 or 40 hours a week of on

and stacy kaiser, psychotherapist. stacy, how does this poor woman even come remotely to cope with this? losing a son and watching her husband do this? >> this is really a double loss for her. because she's not only lost her son, but she's lost whatever semblance of a husband she had before this. and so this is something where she's going to really have to rally the support of other friends and family to get through it. >> yeah. let's get dave jordan in on this. dave, let's get this straight now. the doctor, the father was saying his little 9-year-old was the devil? that was the motive here? >> well, that's according to the 911 tape that you just played, mike. it's also according to the affidavit in this case. the policeman who was on the scene said that his 9-year-old was reportedly the devil. and that the father, steven wolf, dr. steven wolf of nichols hills, stand him at least twice because dr. wolf claimed he is indeed the devil. what's interesting to note is the police officers have gotten a search warrant where t