the current chair elect stacy mobiley and the two vice chair elects, all three of them i think have really rallied the board together to ensure that we can move forward together. and as you pointed out, the vice chair, the former vice chair is still on the board and has continued to contribute to the board as we will. >> how do you get on the board? and do you have to be an african american? >> no. a the latter question no. we have a long history of having a very diverse board as well as a very diverse board with ideology as well. senator jack kemp was on our board, one of the greatest board members i would even submit to say. getting on the board is an internal process that is conducted by one of the can hes in conjunction with the president. >> does the fed have anything to say about who son your board? >> they don't dictate who is on our board. >> you were not around but there was a time when a president nominated lee atwater. >> i was a student at the time. i started howard in 1988 that issue occurred in the fall of 88 into the spring of 89. >> did you demonstrate against it? >> i didn