our fourth panelist is miss stacy simmons. and our fifth and final panelist for the second panel is miss winnie stockleberg. i'll ask you all to raise your right hand teen swear and affirm that the information you're about to provide to sues true and accurate to the best of your knowledge and belief. is that correct >> thank you. mr. clegg? you have the four. event minutes. >> thank you very much. i appreciate the opportunity to testify today. my name is roger clegg and i'm president and general counsel of the center for equal opportunity which is a nonprofit research education organization that's based in falls church virginia. our chairman is linda chavez and our principal focus is on public policy issues that involve race and ethnicity such as civil rights, bilingual education. miss chavez was once the staff director of the u.s. commission on civil rights and that i was once the deputy assistant attorney general in the justice department civil rights division. the points i make in the written testimony that you all have abo

our fourth panelist is miss stacy long simmons. our fifth panelist is ms. winnie steckel berg. i will ask you all to raise your right hand and to swear and affirm that the information you are about to provide is true and accurate to the best of your knowledge. is that correct? mr. clegg? >> thank you very much. i appreciate the opportunity to testify. my name is roger clegg. i'm president of counsel. a nonprofit, research and -- our chairman is linda chavez. our focus is on public policy issues that deal with race and issues. immigration and assimilation. i should add that ms. chavez -- i was once the heavy assistant attorney general in the justice department of civil rights. the points i make in the written testimony that you have about the employment donna -- the employment donna nondesc -- there's a strong presumption to let businesses make a decision. it is not immoral to discriminate based on -- legislation would create many problems for employers. the main purpose of this bill is to try and marginalize americans that believe that gay sex is a sin. this is a bad aim. there