think what we will find is a dramatic growth in civilian personnel, pentagon, and other places, and i think we will also see a dramatic growth in staffing of the ratio becoming less and less altamonte to save the least. would you agree that that is pretty much the case? >> yes, i do, senator. we have several stocks that have grown, and the impact of force is it ages the force. it consolidates a lot of the leadership activities and headquarters away from the battlefields. it tends to be layered, and that is what we're after. >> is it might be helpful to motivate some sort of action to show us how that growth has been, posted actual number of four fighters -- number of war fighters. >> thanks pas to secretary gates for initiating this series of moves, which i support. the fact is we are asking more of our military than we have been quite a while with the combination of being involved in the war against islamism the stream is them, managing relations with the rising and more assertive china, and a host of other problems. the fact is that we are already facing a squeeze where we are not giving the military all that they need, and therefore,