to keep stalin from daring to start another war.is nato, 14 nations strong. ♪♪ >> from norway to greece and turkey. >> we hear it shaped representatives of many representatives work day by day, constantly, with these intricate and difficult problems. we have absolute faith that you can do the job. of course you can do the job. all that is necessary is that each country remember that its own enlightened self-interest is served best by developing the common security so necessary to us all. the task must have first priority. we require faith, self-confidence, devotion, tenacity, always tenacity. >> in this atomic age, in times far more explosive than any since lincoln's day, the world is divided once more, half slave and half free. where now is there a leader who can sustain and inspire americans already under arms in korea, a leader who can end that war with victory and prevent its spread into a bigger war. where is the leader in america who can sustain and inspire our allies, already fighting the common enemy on asia's jungle front.

>> guest: the answer is although the general was quiet a human being and mussolini and stalin he alsosense of self-preservation and he was supportive of the action but he was terrified of the world may be that the world may be would blockade spanning keep them from getting resources. it would be an unbelievably bloody and destructive war. what franco was overwhelmingly afraid of was hanging onto his own power. it was a tangled story of why he didn't come. one rather bizarre aspect to this is that franco thought he might come in if was willing to give in. the colonies in africa morocco and algeria but at that stage in 1941 when franco was bargaining with still have hope that france would become a full idle -- ali in the war. he wasn't willing to give the colonies to franco said that was another reason. franco gave all the support he could and he said up with division to fight in russia but he didn't take that last step. i personally believe there is a scenario. my favorite story in -- historians is don't waste your time on it. but i do think in 1941 instead of invading russia flied --

in russia there was the same feeling that stalin told churchill, your navy runs away.calls one of the arctic convoys from britain to russia have been disastrously defeated and broken up and most of the ships were american, most of the ships. and the whole credibility of britain as fighting ally is at stake. churchill was personally embattled. people were saying, all right, he talks a great game. he's always talking about victories but all we are seeing is defeats, british army had had to surrender to a smaller japanese army and another british army surrender to a smaller german army and the british people, we are feeling pretty disillusioned but to lose malta, jewel in the mediterranean crown, lost to the access would be disastrous blow to the credibility of the whole empire. and so he gave the order to the navy that supplies have to be run to malta at any cost and they knew that having a chance of getting ships through they would need air cover. britain had lost 4 carriers in the war and we only had 7 left. smaller than american carriers. well, four of those carriers.

he was leading in stalin and had a better sense of self preservation. . . .but it was a terrible story of why he didn't help. one rather bizarre aspect of it with was that franco thought he might if hitler was willing to give him france's colonies in africa, morocco and algeria. but at that stage in 1941, hitler still had hope that vichy, france, would become a full ally of germany in the war. so that was another reason franco didn't come. franco gave hitler -- he set up a token division to fight russia against the communists. now, i personally believe there is a scenario. my favorite historian says don't waste your time on counterfactual. but i do think that in 1941 you could construct a scenario that instead of invading russia shah, hitler could have prevailed in the mediterranean. he could are have seized gibraltar from spain. cairo. british could have seen and didn't like churchill that just tried to depose churchill and tried to make the best they could. i think if spain had come in and germany and even delayed his invasion of russia by a few months or a

eisenhower's reply to this question about whether he would meet stalin, who was at the time probably america's staunchest enemy was, quote, i would meet anybody, anywhere, where i thought there was the slightest chance of doing any good. so despite the heavy chill in diplomatic relations between the u.s. and the soviet union, eisenhower was willing to use any personal means to reduce tensions between the two nations. joseph stalin died of a stroke just ten days after that press conference in which ike opened the door to a possible meeting between the two super powers. it would be two more years before he was able to meet with the new soviet leadership. that meeting happened at the geneva conference in 1955. this big four conference consisted of the leaders of the soviet union, the united states, the united kingdom and france. they attended this conference to discuss on a general disarmament proposal and the disposition of allied forces in berlin. the soviets were particularly upset that western powers still maintained troops in west berlin which was surrounded by east germany. eisenh

joseph stalin died of a stroke just 10 days after that press conference. in which ike opened the door to a possible meeting between the two superpowers. it would be two more years before he was able to meet. with the new soviet leadership that meeting happened at the geneva conference in 1955. this big four conference consisted of the leaders of the soviet union the united states the united kingdom and france. they attended this conference to discuss. general disarmament proposals and the disposition of allied forces in berlin the soviets were particularly upset that western powers is still maintained troops in west berlin, which surrounded by east german. eisenhower's chosen to be chairman of the first of this conference's meetings. and he opened opened the conference by saying the following. we meet here for a simple purpose. we have come to find a basis for accommodation, which will make life safer and happier. not only for the nations we represent. but for people everywhere. so already in specifically dealing with the soviet leadership. he's implying t

more importantly, if he would consider traveling outside the united states to meet with joseph stalin. presidents by and large did not make many foreign trips for any reason prior to the mid 20th century. partly, it was due to difficulties in getting overseas. it took a long time to make these trips. eisenhower's reply to this question about whether he would meet stalin who was, at the time, probably america's staunchest and then me, quote i would meet anybody anywhere where i thought there was the slightest chance of doing any good. despite the heavy chill and diplomatic relationships between the u.s. and the soviet union, eisenhower was willing to use any personal means to reduce tensions between the two nations. joseph stalin died of a stroke just ten days after that press conference in which i opened the door to a possible meeting between the two superpowers. it would be two more years before he was able to meet with the new soviet leadership. that meeting happened at the geneva conference in 1955. this big conference consisted of the leaders of the soviet union united states, uni

what happened was joseph stalin had died. emma stalin's death that open the door for a negotiated solution and he said things were wrapped up in no time. he said it was so noticeable it was so obvious something monumental had happened and they were able to connect it to stalin's death. weatherstone's death open the door for north korean or red that is an opportunity because there is a bit of a power vacuum to act on her own behalf and do this. i do not know. but he noticed a significant difference once and of course by 1953 as well we had a presidential election year on dwight d eisenhower was elected president. eisenhower threatened that he would go over too korea and personally and if necessary he would use nuclear weapons to bring this thing to an end. so i think the combination of stalin's death, : : : >> okay, you are here.

this goes into my bailiwick of russia come some going to take a 30-second -- stalin gets denounced by khrushchev the next leader and then we learn about mass atrocities by joseph stalin where thousands and thousands of people, i'm sorry, not thousands and millions of people were slaughtered and people were put into concentration camps, gulags and stuff like that. so when his mind that's the beginning of this kind of awareness of what could happen if -- they got a little bit better i guess under krishna and brezhnev and that was my fathers experience. you just went to an insane asylum if you challenge the autocrat and the duke you up with a whole bunch of stuff. he was concerned about my physical well-being, the impact on my twin brother who still in active duty, serving right across the hall from me. and then impact impact on family. i think that's where he wanted me to be particularly cautious. i was in a lot of ways just not going to be deterred from doing what i thought was right, and not basically taking half measures the way most people would feel me comfortable taking, which is

i think when we say stalin bro, you all know what you two of course know and i bet most of the audience a little listening knows as well. we mean the surrounding of a german field army inside solomon the germans had four field armies and their southern campaign and now they lost one the biggest one it was cut off and eventually marched off wholesale in captivity. but you know that only happened because the germans showed up at stalingrad and said and that was in november the germans showed up and selling right two months earlier with without enough strength to take the city. and that only happened because they launched an offensive in june in the southern front that that was far under resourced. you know, the germans are already down a quarter of a million in terms of the the sort of replacement deficit units are at 40% of their nominal strength. they're raising divisions amongst the hungarians romanians and italian armies because they lack the number of divisions themself and then you know you go bad. why do they do that? well, they did that because it was the last crack at the soviets

those tensions were heightened ben russia's premiere joseph stalin died under mysterious circumstanceslon could have succeeded to the leadership. he announced that russia had the hydrogen bomb shortly before the big four summit conference scheduled for 1955. at the conference in geneva nick krush chof -- upon his return president eisenhower announced hope of improved east-west relations. >> of course, no one knows what the coming months will tell, but in the meantime we do know that new contacts have been established and there is evidence of a new friend leeness in the world. >> in budapest the program of destalin zags fostered by khrushchev was carried to threaten russian control. the hungarian puppet government tried to halt janet communist dem durations and a revolt erupted. fighting with paving stones and small arms the hungriness resisted russian occupation troops for a brief period. khrushchev went to hungary. as red reserves were secretly brought in czechoslovakia and romania they charged that american agents had fomented the uprising. the russian reserve swept across hungary su

against russian coal or aggression -- those tensions were heightened when russia's premier, joseph stalinysterious circumstances in 1953. they succeeded to the communist leadership. during his brief premiership he announced that russia had the hydrogen bomb shortly before the big summit conference schedule for 1955. at the conference in geneva khrushchev who deposed melon, cause represented russia with -- upon his return to washington from geneva president ivan eisenhower voiced hope for east west relations. >> no one knows but the coming months will tell. in the meantime we do know that new contacts have been established. there is evidence of a new friendliness in the world. >> in budapest, the program fostered by khrushchev was carried by -- two that threat and russian control. the hungarian puppet government tried to halt anti communist demonstrations and a revolt erupted. fighting with paving stones and small arms, the hungarians successfully resisted russian occupation troops for a brief period. khrushchev went to hungary, extensively to parley with leaders of the revolt. as red rese

>> it's a revisionist history by me, and a a sense, stalin same effect was in the beginning he was inanese and a lot of this was directed by heem even as much as hitler it's an interesting take and i was wondering what you would wish to say about that. >> thank you. >> i have to confess that i am not a fan of his work. i do think he takes some interesting points and carries them far too far. i'm afraid i think he's a suspicionless and wants to say something that will make the headlines. i think in his earlier books about the outbreak of world war i he sought to argue that was russia's fault because russia was determined and he was sort of seems to me quite like russians to keep that interest but i think he wildly overstated it and i have talked to my fellow historians about his latest work on stolen. ... admire some of my other fellow historians. >> whenever we have an author on in-depth, we ask him or her favorite books and here is what max hastings reported, guns of august by barbara, the young lions by irwin shaw, the london observer by >> ronald specter all american authors, 1945

those tensions were heightened when russia's premier, joseph stalin, died under mysterious circumstances. he succeeded to the leadership. he announced that russia had the hydrogen bomb shortly before the big four summit conference scheduled for 1955. at the conference in geneva, chuschv represented russia. president eisenhower voiced hopes of improved east-west relations. >> of course no one knows what the coming months will tell much. but in the meantime, we do know that new contacts have been established and there is evidence of a new friendliness in the world. >> in budapest, the program of destalinization was fostered by kruschev. the hungarian puppet government tried to halt anti-communist decimal demonstrations and a revote erupted. the hungarians successfully resisted russian occupation troops for a brief period. kruschev went to hungary. he stalled for time, charging that american agents had fomented the uprising. the russian reserve swept across hungary, suppressing the revolt brutally. some refugees escaped into austria. others, less fortunate, were shot down by red border guar

here i wasn't expecting uncle joe stalin to make a cameo say in the. segment eugene robinson robin murphy, gentlemen, thank you very much for hanging out with us tonight. coming up for, us aor u.s. intelligence official here to talk about just how it is that afghanistan fell so far, so fast to those guys. st to those guys when you really need to sleep you reach for the really good stuff. new zzzquil ultra helps you sleep better and longer when you need it most. it's non habit forming and powered by the makers of nyquil. new zz and d.c. news reporting that as the taliban start making gains across afghanistan with lightning speed, the cia warned that the country could rapidly collapse. at least, that is what we are being told now. earlier today, a senior u.s. intelligence official told nbc news, and we quote -- indeed, as we mentioned earlier this hour, general milley says nothing he saw indicated the country would collapse in the space of 11 days. back with us tonight, and for good reason, jeremy bash, former chief of staff overhead cia in the pentagon,

winston churchill, truman, joseph stalin. churchill of course the british leader and stalin the russian leader, the soviet leader, who were our allies during the war. and, you know, harry truman, some of his greatest successes had to do with the forming of a framework or a structure to conduct the cold war which would occur after the end of world war ii, that is a cold war conflict that would last for 40 years between the united states and the soviet union. although we're allies of the soviet union during world war ii, those relations would sour soon after the successful conclusion of the war. and truman helped establish that framework through the marshall plan, which was a huge aid package to europe, for european recovery after world war ii, the establishment of nato, the defense alliance with our european allies, the truman doctrine, which was more the ideological framework for containment, that is, how to deal with the soviet union, not through aggressive war but through containing their expansion. and of course, not the l

that point in time anyway the next leader and there were learning about the atrocities by joseph stalin were thousands and thousands of people, not thousands, millions of people were slaughtered and people were put into concentration camps in his mind that's the beginning of his awareness it got a little better and without my father's experience if you challenge autograph, he was concerned about my physical well-being and the impact on my twin brother who is still an active duty serving across the hall and then the impact on family and that is where he wanted me too be particular cautious and i was in a lot of ways not going to be deterred from doing what i thought was right and not basically taking half measures the way most people would feel comfortable taking which is how the department of defense prefer i water down my testimony and more reluctant of something of that nature and i wasn't going to do that. >> the whole thing is a movie arc it gives me chills i think about the score, is your dad in his 40s and gives you guys an opportunity and you get to the height of power in america

have some experience in the field, as well and a few years agoo it was the death of the t battle of stalin grad. and you don't need to know a whole lot about world war ii to know the war and the eastern front and i'm not sure i'm one of those people. i'moi a little dubious of the whole concept of turning point and i wrote the book very carefully so that i never said the word turning point. and iro picked up book of the month club and helped put my daughters to college with theec proceeds so it was all good, but i remember when the brochure came about this month's selections and y by satino and big, bold headlines and i realized that at some point whether youou think stalin grads a turning point and whether you're uncomfortable with the concept and people are going to use it and you might as well go along with that andll try to define pretty precisely. our two guests today are first of all, johnn partial who wille speaking on the battle of midway, hello, john. to see you. >> john is the creator of the foremost website in the world devoted to the imperial navy, combined e fleet.com which he

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it had to do with joseph stalin had died in march of 53. which i think made it easier, made it possible for them to take place. i would like to point to what he described as the prevention of communist efforts to dominate iran, lebanon, formosa, i want to, south vietnam. as we will see, some of the means he used would come back to haunt us, for example, the regime in iran by covert means. next slide, please? in fact, the images you see on the screen, they are from the same page in his diary. up until may of 2010, if you had asked to see eisenhower's diary from october 8th of 1953, you would've been given a page on the left which is mostly redacted. if you look on the right, you could see eisenhower talking about recent developments in iran, which were accomplished thanks to the cia in which it admits basically by force overthrew the government of iran by covert means. it was not a very well kept secret. technically this part of his diary remain classified until the last ten years which is quite a while after eisenhower was in presidency. yo

i'm a lot of that also had to do with the fact that joseph stalin had died in march of 53. which i think made it made it easier made it possible. for them to take place and also i would point to what he described as the prevention of communistic efforts to dominate iran guatemala, lebanon formosa. that is taiwan and south vietnam, but as we'll see some of the means he used would come back to haunt us. for example over throwing the mass today regime in iran by covert means next slide, please. in fact of those images you see on the screen. they're from the page and his diary. and up until may of 2010 if if you had asked to see eisenhower's diary from october 8th in 1953. you would have been given that page on the left, which is mostly as you can see redacted. if you look on the right, you can see eisenhower talking about. he's recent developments in iran, which were accomplished. thanks to the cia and what she said reads like a dime novel and basically admits that we you know, my by force over through the government of iran by by covert means it was not a very well kept secre

by the government, any social welfare state is, you know, you should immediately think of joseph stalin, that kind of thinking has led to big problems in the states. but that's why the term is now being used so loosely is that, you know, we've been program through the cold war to just, you know, have this gut hostile reaction to anything associated with communism. so now it's useful, you know, as replacing an economic problem to point at those who would want to resolve it or implement measures that are designed to address it and say, hi, you're a communist. it's no, it's okay with you. absolutely. right. i mean, conservatives and progressives, you know, i mean, there's a lot to discuss among ourselves a lot and a lot of progress can be made. but then we have the, the neal liberals, we have the, the establishment here, they throw in the hangar again. it's called socialism and then they make everyone argue about it. ok, that's thinking tired of that because the conservatives and progressives have a lot in common if we give each other a chance instead of letting me neil liberals mediate th

stalin, mao, hitler. pol pot is for an curtis lemay is five. what happened to him? he was promoted. jfk makes him the chief of staff in the air force. he's head of the air force with the vietnam war. he was appointed head of the air force and given a metal, the highest metal that can be awarded to a foreigner by the japanese government. despite being the fifth most murderous individual in the 20th century. >> but that argument to be elevated but what he did actually speared a truly utilitarian argument that it spared other deaths and it shorten the length of the war and therefore saved t other lives. >> but i think there is a lot of truth to that that in the absence of the atomic bombs, a land invasion of japan by the united states and then what would result in casualties. so it probably would have been the bloodiest military campaigns in modern history. no doubt about that but in retrospect, he went road again summer 45. is not like people said hit another city and hit another city. and then to wipe out hiroshima and nagasaki. and then to burn down japanese cities from guam. and th

they score a literal loyalty to stalin. to rally to defend the masses of soviet union. they called it a soviet american. put more s in usa to make it ussa . >> that is not where we are today, today's american marxists have nothing to do with a -- soviet common term. this is a type of marxism, american strain that was born and fashioned here, in particular in modern manifesting a, based on issues like race and gender that heretofore, an american and world experience we've never seen before. mark: i think it is important that people understand that. on my radio show, people say to that i want to know what is going on, why? how could people believe these things? that is why i undertook this project, why i think so many people are interested, this is not a fad or social activism or democratic socialism as like bernie sanders likes to self identify. this is not progressivism as they self characterize, progressivism is the bastard child of marxism. dewey and others they like the marxism and they rejected the constitution, we have

1939 and 1940 when he was recruited in 1939 he went to his training and what did he know about what stalin was doing? we don't know. he had to have known about the purges, so the ideologies were crushed by the time he came back. we don't know. but one of the reasons that he probably did this they would be benefits for his family. september 1st, 1939, think about it. that's the beginning several years of world war. of course you don't know that at the time, but he knew his family could be at jeopardy, at risk, et cetera. so what were his motives for doing what he did? i think towards the end of the book there is a comment from one of his colleagues. part of the new century he said george told him i have no regrets so he knew by the end of the 19 '90s he had no regrets so that told you that it had to be part way the ideal. but it also had to be the protection of his family. and it also this was a guy that was loyal in his ideology and family and very loyal to science. he was a scientist. in the book i show some of the articles in the manhattan project and in his lifetime as a professor i thi

broader, foster, hall, and rosenbergs, hollywood 10, they swore an oath to stalin, calling it a sovietour book, is that that is not why we are today. -- where we are today, today's american marxists have nothing to do with a sophie outcommon term, no ussr or working with putin or reaching out to china. this say type of marxism an american strain, born and fashioned here in particular modern manifestation based on issues like race and gender. mark: i think it is very important that people understand this. on my radio show and elsewhere people want to know what is going on, why, how could people believe these sorts of things, why take this project. which is why i think so many people are interested in learning about it this is not a fad. this is not a social activism, per say, it is not democratic socialism, as bernie sanders likes to self-identify, and not progressivism, as they self characterize. and progressivism is the bastard child of marxism. have we today are people pulling down monuments, burning books, shutting down debate, attacking free speech, trying to balkanize the nation o

founders of the american communist party communist party usa they all swore a literal loyalty to the stalind in the air i pledge myself to rally to defend the masses of the soviet union the only party that triumph of soviet power they call it is soviet america langston hughes said put more one more s so we can call the us essay so what hit me is that's not where we are today. today's american marxist have nothing to do with the soviet term there is no ussr they are not even reaching out to china this is a type of marxism the american strain born and fashioned here in particular in the modern manifestation based on issues like race and gender that hereto for that we have never seen before. >> i think it's very important that people understand this because on my radio show people come up to me they want to know what's going on my it's going on how could people believe these sorts of things and how they undertake the enormous project why so many people are interested in learning about it this isn't a social activism it certainly isn't progressivism as they self characterize and progressivism t

and yet china has not occupied and controlled countries like stalin's russia did during the late 1940s which is what triggered the cold war. and all of this is happening in a world in which international trade has rebounded to pre-pandemic levels. it's not a new cold war but something much more complicated, a cold peace. go to cnn.com/fareed for a link to my "washington post" column this week. >>> let's get to my main event, dr. fauci, who is the nation's leader for infectious diseases. dr. fauci, let me ask you the central question people are ponderring right now. we hear about the delta variant, we hear about how it's much more contagious, we hear about breakthrough infections. the question, does the vaccine protect against delta, and if it does, why are people worried? >> the situation is understandably a bit complicated, and that is, if you're asking us what the vaccine will do, that is essentially to protect you from serious illness. the vaccine protects quite well against delta. however, since delta has the capability of transmitting much more efficiently than the previous varian

overthrowing the monarchies of the nineteenth century and saving western civilization from the autocracy of stalin, hitler and mussolini in the twentieth century but get ready for iron he can time to grow up, face facts, good and evil can coexist. thing i found interesting, most of them agree because as they understood it, they were incompatible with slavery. they knew they were living a lie. washington put it eloquently, let me see if i can read it here. it was the most unavoidable failure of his whole life that the kind of argument you get for slavery in the nineteenth century from southern defenders of slavery you don't get from the founding generation. a lot of them thought slavery was going to die a natural death. jefferson himself believed slavery was incompatible with the modern world. this was a basic enlightenment and you don't have to do anything, it's going to happen naturally because slave labor is incompatible with freedom and free labor. it doesn't work that way. in the end jefferson is going to let you down because jefferson believed african-americans were inherently inferior. if yo

overthrowing the monarchy said the 19th century and saving the civilization from the proceeds of stalinecame ready for irony. it is time to grow up in time to face facts. the good and the evil can coexist. the thing about the founders that i found interesting that i came to later, is that most of them agree that the because they understood it, their values and the values they were fighting for in the revolution incompatible with slavery. they knew they would be in life. my. i don't know, it is that it was the most unavoidable family life, that the kind of arguments that you get persuaded 19th century, from southern defenders of slavery you do not get that from the founding generation. a lot of them but this would die a natural death jefferson himsmself believed that slavery was incompatible with the modern world slavery was part of the meeting we are trying way this is a basic advice would to do anything. it's going to happen. this would happen naturally because slave labor isn't compatible with freedom and free labor. doesn't work that way. in indiana, jefferson down because jefferson

right now, you have stalin reporting a record number of new infections while new research papers showinghat people who were covered from covid in the earlier waves have a lower risk of contracting the delta variant. joining us now is a bloomberg consumer and healthcare reporting. walk me through the study and what we learned from that. dierdre: this is a large real-world study. it has not been reviewed but what it is showing is that people who recovered from covid-19 during one of the earlier waves of the pandemic of the are to have a lower risk of contracting the virus again than those who have two doses of the vaccine from pfizer and biontech. people who had a vaccine were almost six full times more likely to contract an infection and sevenfold more loudly to have symptomatic disease. this is good news for people who have survived covid, but the danger of studies like this is that this might encourage vaccine holdouts not to get the vaccine because they think if i get covid, it will be fine because i will have better natural immunity. francine: thanks so much. deirdre hipwell there. de

so stalin, if this had been in the age of twitter, would have -- after killing 25 million people would as long as he didn't violate their terms of service. that's what twitter is saying. the atrocities have been documented. taliban cuts off women's fingers for using nail polish. they stone you to death, kill homosexuals with cinder blocks. every friday evening, they bring everybody into a soccer stadium and have the crowd watch people get beheaded. donald trump called don lemon dumb but he didn't cut legs off in front of a crowd. >> greg: not that you know of. >> jesse: it's worse than watergate. >> geraldo: if i can -- >> jesse: are you really in a pissing contest with the taliban twitter account? >> greg: that's what he made this segment about. >> dagen: can i be your p.r. rep? save that for the next block. trust me. >> geraldo: this is from general john f. campbell. >> dagen: i'm running it. >> geraldo: this is big news. >> dagen: that's a tease in tv. >> geraldo: i think in a sense everybody should have -- i don't think that big tech has the ability particularly in the political sp