conventionally we didn't most of the borrowers like the end will cycle within a one year in a week to the stallman you pay back your loan and then you borrow another one and continue to do that. but what happens and it's not a question of getting into debt burden but what happens if you cannot pay the housing there's no question of oh it's up to her if she said i cannot pay back we didn't fifty two weeks of the one year and i need a few weeks weeks more rescheduling as long as she wants to pay we have no problem we're not here to punish her for the time period we're here to help her so that she can use the money and earn enough money because these are all income generating loan in other words you invest in something which will generate income and you pay back the bank instantly have some money left for you out of your income so it's time period is not a big concern for us it's up to you and if you say well i thought i'll pay back in six months but then i in the fifth monday found out that i'll need more time then six months you say it and we reschedule it for another whatever number of months you

didn't come in bang most of the borrowers like the animal cycle within a one year in weekly the stallman you pay back your lawn and then you borrow another one and continue to do that. but what happens and it's no question of getting into debt burden but what happens if you cannot pay the housing there's no question of up to her if she said i cannot pay back we didn't fifty two weeks of the one year and i need a few weeks weeks more rescheduling as long as she wants to pay we have no problem we are not here to punish her for the time period we are here to help her so that she can use the money and earn enough money because these are all income generating loan in other words you invest in something which will generate income and you pay back the bank instantly have some money left for you out of your income so it's time period is not a big concern for us it's up to you and if you say well i thought i'll pay back in six months but then i in the fifth monday found out that i'll need more time than six months you say it and need to schedule it for another whatever number of months you need b

windows that are coming out so this is my personal preference and both are equal you know richard stallman that we spoke to not long ago calls apple and microsoft software model where i know that you've so. antivirus like fifteen years ago but it is a pretty in knowing thing like it keeps popping up on my computer all the time. couldn't be used for spying do you think oh is it use for spying. of course any piece of software can be used for spying you have no idea how simple it is for a programmer to put a backdoor into a system a back door as is explained it simply is a way for the programmer or for anybody that has a special code to log on to the software and take control. this happens all the time in fact there are there are applications that you can buy for a multiple of operating systems called keystroke logger years that will watch every keystroke that a user logs and then send that information to any address that you like with that information you can get a person's passwords you can log into them a they're in email read their e-mail you can turn on the camera on their laptop if the

criminals and prosecuting them you know it's very funny because recently i was speaking to richard stallman i'm sure you know who he is he came up with a free proprietary software and he strongly believes that there is no freedom left in the internet. do you completely disagree with him he's wrong. yet completely completely well here also when i'm paid consultant in public politics and openness with the british government right what did you advise the u.k. government following the leaks that you know they were spying on russian president actually everyone else transferring the data to the united states afterwards. so my very very tiny little role in the government is really about open access to research it's about academic research and how to publish that so i don't have within. you know sort of direct responsibilities to advise the u.k. government or anyone else on how they should handle this kind of thing at same time of course as a public figure i do advise them quite a bit that this kind of spying is inappropriate and undemocratic. but what else do you advise them i mean i just wonder b