these are the stallworth obama supporters who have real trouble with the surveillance issues. >> he'scoring worse than president bush did on the issue of restricting civil liberties. >> i know, he probably can't believe that one. but, yes, when president bush had that warrantless wiretap controversy in 2006, which then senator obama opposed, his -- the question of whether he went too far, you see there, bush, only 39% thought he had gone too far. now that the president's in the middle of this nsa controversy, 43% of the public thinks he's gone too far. i think that plays into the trust issue you were talking about earlier. he's down on trust, people always give someone they trust the benefit of the doubt. and now i think they're attaching him to government. which they don't trust. >> you think he needs to get out in front of this? >> i do. it's a hard thing to do now. these are specifically classified programs. >> a few weeks ago he came out and said this is a debate i want to have, i'm glad we're having this debate. i think he needs to get out there and lead it, one way he can lead i