representative stamas moved the bill be given immediate effect. 2/3 of the members serving voted thereforeot happen. i do not see how that could be true. republicans don't have a 2/3 majority and democrats voted against the bill. so you're telling me that a dozen democrats voted against this bill they hated, they voted against it and then once it passed anyway over their objections they decided, oh, well, it passed, i guess i'll vote to put this thing in effect immediately. seriously? if you look at the numbers you need for immediate effect in michigan and the numbers republicans actually have, it does not seem possible that the emergency manager law or maybe any of these laws passed in the way republicans are saying that they did. it didn't happen that way. for the past year, we have been reporting on republican governments in michigan. for the past year, we have called emergency -- michigan's emergency manager law the most radical republican legislation in the country. and if that radical, radical law had passed under regular rules. if it hadn't been put into immediate effect, if they co