david stamler said the same thing. >> jim traub, a great foreign-policy writer, when he came to do a piece on the vice president 2009, and i took him across the street where most of the offices are me with some mid-level nasa security council person, he's from it and said i never got to cross the street under bush and never had anybody help me talk to mid-level national security council person. so, i can fully accept that we are not open on everything. >> mike duffy worked with you at "time magazine." when you look at the white house, the way the white house operates, you should add 10%. politics is 10% more influential than you assume. politics. >> when i mentioned the 15% figure, he was my boss and tell me about covering washington. we are both quoting mike duffy here. but, i think that equation has been reversed. i think that there is the assumption of politics at the start. that everyone thinks it is the determinant factor. part of it is because of the hyper partisanship. part of it is, politics is easy compared to policy when you're covering. it is candy. you can see the watch t