. >> stanÑi mcchrystal's whole theory was the war for hearts and minds was just as important as the waru couldn't guarantee security, if you couldn't get the water going, if you couldn't make electricity come on for at least part of the day people weren't going to believe that you wereçó the answer to anythi. >> and killing one terrorist and his family would produce 20pvern influenced by that and radicalized by that was a negative consequence >> he brought the closest thing we've mean? war to community policing and it wasn't all that popular among people in this community because they said we're taking hits and turning the other cheek. >> rose: and you're not letting us go. >> exactly. so the idea was hearts and minds are important and i guess the argument against the drone program is that the collateral damage is making more enemies and radicalizing more people than the good they're getting from the far get. the flip side of that coin is-- and i say this from my view from working in the office of the director of national tell intense, of all the tools you could have used, troops on the