i'm just very mindful that the guy you collaborated with on the film, the australian dream, stan grantfilm, is a big part of the film, he talked about, as a young person, growing up with such a sense of shame. he said, "to be aboriginal in my youth was to be ashamed, "ashamed of our poverty, ashamed of the secondhand clothes, "the secondhand lifestyle, the broken glass, "the constant movement, " and yet you then became a standout athlete. how difficult was it to have a foot in both worlds? we still have a foot in both worlds, steve. i think most indigenous people live in two worlds. the western world and a culture, spiritual world of the indigenous ancestry that we have which has a lot of trauma and baggage and hopelessness, disadvantage that's been passed on from generation to generation. so what we tend to do is create role models and be able to break down those barriers that i keep talking about for our future generations to understand that it does take hard work to be successful and you're going to have to work harder than non—indigenous people if you want to be successful because

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