. >> we also lost -- and i detail this in my book, you know, stan mcchrystal by the time he was firedly,, fired, sortly before that began to come to the view you couldn't kill every last taliban. >> rose: you said that. >> you couldn't -- and you did a fascinating interview with him when he was the commander. >> rose: right. >> that you couldn't be et to your sort of traditional notion of victory, you had to have some degree of negotiation, some degree of a peace deal, and in this degree, he and richard holbrook, the late veteran diplomat who was then the state department's point man for afghanistan and pakistan, they were kin drilled spirit on this and they didn't fully agree, but they were getting closer, the problem was, holbrook wasn't listened to by the white house and stan mcchrystal was fired, and so when petraeus came in, and this is a remarkable scene i recount a few months later, holbrook tries to go to petraeus and talked to him about the importance of rec stiltion and getting into a vehicle in kabul and says, dave, i would hike to talk to you a little bit about rec stiltion

. >> we also lost -- and i detail this in my book, you know, stan mcchrystal by the time he was firedly,, fired, sortly before that began to come to the view you couldn't kill every last taliban. >> rose: you said that. >> you couldn't -- and you did a fascinating interview with him when he was the commander. >> rose: right. >> that you couldn't be et to your sort of traditional notion of victory, you had to have some degree of negotiation, some degree of a peace deal, and in this degree, he and richard holbrook, the late veteran diplomat who was then the state department's point man for afghanistan and pakistan, they were kin drilled spirit on this and they didn't fully agree, but they were getting closer, the problem was, holbrook wasn't listened to by the white house and stan mcchrystal was fired, and so when petraeus came in, and this is a remarkable scene i recount a few months later, holbrook tries to go to petraeus and talked to him about the importance of rec stiltion and getting into a vehicle in kabul and says, dave, i would hike to talk to you a little bit about rec stiltion