here is stan mcchrystal, general stan mcchrystal talking about how the j.s.o.c.realized it had to be an intelligence organization that also did op erlingses. we had this wonderful force that was a little like a bullet. if the intelligence was provided to us and someone made a decision when to pull the trigger and we were aimed at the right location, that this force, this counterterrorist force would go and it would create great effects, great precision, great speed and whatnot. but what we found was the apparatus didn't exist to provide us that intelligence, that understanding. it also didn't allow us to move quickly enough, learning in each step. so instead of being this wonderful entity that sits behind glass and when you get perfect, they break it and you go, we realized we had to be an intelligence organization that also did operations. >> charlie: the c.i.a. is doing both intelligence and operations and they are saying, they do intelligence and operations. >> right. the soldiers are the spies and the spies are soldiers. >> charlie: right. and what he's talki

if in fact stan mcchrystal had not been fired, would that have made a difference at all? if the answer is no, no. >> so in other words, say i'm looking for a silver bull thaet might have made a difference. >> well, i'll tell you. i think the answer -- >> i think it is an impact of individuals. >> no, i think he was inyesterdayably sophisticated and smart. but i think that president obama made the decision basically to surge and then to go back down. so it was always a kind of very short term thing. we go up 30,000 troops, we try to push the taliban back and kind of hope for the best. but that was always on a timer. >> i always thought the surge was just look, guys, i understand that afghan is different from iraq but this is my last effort to see him it doesn't work i'm out of here that was my assumption about the president. >> i don't think he wanted to do it in the first place. >> he didn't want to but he said i'll do it because. >> because i'm being pushed into it, or my advisors have agreed that i should do it. and more. >> and my afghan pact review agreed that i shoul

general stan mcchrystal told him that if it did not commit to a surge, the taliban would not be possibleyou know what obama did. 30,000 more troops. but with a deadline. the first troops would have to start coming home within two years, which he took from the military's own planning documents that promise that areas could be cleared of insurgents and turned over to afghan security forces within 18 haven't had for months. what went wrong e let's break it into two levels. the first a strategic. with the search the right decision. the second is operational. what the president signed off on about how well did the organs of his government implement his policy? for going to her veil in afghanistan, several things need to occur. the afghan government had to be a willing partner. the government had to be railing to crackdown on its own soil. the u.s. government had to commit troops and money for several years. the american people had to be patient enough or security to improve drastically. first, list about the afghan government. theai never agreed with u.s. war strategy. even having a supported

general stan mcchrystal said if the didn't commit, defeating the taliban is not possible. 30 thousandss with a deadline, and fairs troops come home within two years, a date they took from planning documents that promised areas could be cleared and turned over to the afghan security forces within 18-24 months. what went wrong? break it spue two levels. first, the second is operational, and once the president signed off, how well did the department and obama's white house, how well did they implement the policy? start with a strategy if we could, and up front, if the conditions are right and the cost is merited, but to prevail in afghanistan, several thing had to occur, the afghan government, had to crack down on sanctuaries, the u.s. government had to be willing to commit troops and money for several years, and the american people had to be patient enough for security to improve gradually. first, talk about the afghan government. he's having a supportive credible host nation of prerequisites, and most afghans have no great love for the taliban. the afghan people know well what it was li

general stan mcchrystal told him that if it did not commit to a surge, the taliban would not be possibleyou know what obama did. 30,000 more troops. but with a deadline. the first troops would have to start coming home within two years, which he took from the military's own planning documents that promise that areas could be cleared of insurgents and turned over to afghan security forces within 18 haven't had for months. what went wrong e let's break it into two levels. the first a strategic. with the search the right decision. the second is operational. what the president signed off on about how well did the organs lamentedvernment policy? ?- implement his policy her veil in afghanistan, several things need to occur. the afghan government had to be a willing partner. the government had to be railing to crackdown on its own soil. the u.s. government had to commit troops and money for several years. the american people had to be patient enough or security to improve drastically. first, list about the afghan government. karzai never agreed with the u.s. war strategy. even having a supporte