stan mcchrystal is that human rights advocate. he's the commend general the u.s. and nato forces in afghanistan. but he's taken is very different approach to thinking about warfare. this different mindset is something that back in 2000 we thought of as counterinsurgency. this is a topic people t don't talk as much about now five years later, but i think many of the lessons of counterinsurgency, of the lessons of the war from those days are still very relevant today. what i thought i would use talk about three different lessons, themes i talk to in the book, try to talk about them in the context of vaughn walker, or regular warfare more generally. the first is relationship between strategy and humanity. the conventional understanding, the kind of way invited discourse to think about this relationship is that the strategy for victory in warfare is all about killing and capturing enemy forces. you kille kill and capture the d guys and then you win. humanitarian interests are to some extent a constraint on the. they limit your ability to kill and capture the bad guys.

. >> rose: it's the opinion in the army things might have been different if stan mcchrystal had stayedere was no doubt that stan had the vision for sure how to fight this network terrorist enemy. some of the things most people in america don't know but they should is that stan was the guy who organized our special forces. >> rose: in iraq. >> absolutely. and later afghanistan and other parts of the world we don't need to talk about. but the fact of the matter is stan was that visionary and he really did that. he only got about a year in command in afghanistan. his ideas were just going into effect. yÑ had an unfortunate run-in with michael hastings and his staff said some things and the military control said i can't have that for my comarnldz, we lost a very skilled guy. he's cultivated that relationship. because he was a special forces officer and he understood the local people had to have a leading role. >> rose: the afghans had to five the afghans war. >> rose: that's right. >> rose: and minimize as much corruption. >> do what you could but recognize -- >> rose: i was struck that no

crouch and susan glasser and later on general stan mcchrystal and jim vandehei for today's conversation. it is an extension of our innovative partnership with "politico" and really it couldn't be a better day to do this, right? i mean on the eve of veterans day, a day that is set aside for, to honor those who are serving and those who have served this great nation. nobody really signs up in the military for the recognition. i mean they stand up, they take the oath and they're going to jump into something and be a part of something important. they're going to make a difference and they are going to make contributions. it is not really any easier today with the drawdowns and the budget cuts. really a more dispersed threat but if you take a look at this all-volunteer military that we have, it is a smaller force. and they're at a very high operational tempo. but i can tell you with certainty, that those coming home today, it is a little more complex than it was when i made the transition a few years back. that is why i'm so proud to have this role at bank of america with my good friend lewi

mcchrystal had stayed? >> there was no doubt that stan had the vision on how to fight this network of terrorist enemies. some things that most people in america don't know but they whold is stan was the guy organized our special forces for manhunts in iraq. and later afghanistan and other parts of the world we don't need to talk about what stan was that visionary and he did that. a year inot about command in afghanistan. his ideas were just going into effect. he had an unfortunate run-in with michael hastings of rolling stone. the president rightly said i cannot have that for my field commanders. we lost a very skilled guy. >> and he had a relationship with karzai. >> he was a special forces officer and understood the local people needed to have a leading role. >> the afghans had to fight the afghan war. and getting them to do that to minimize as much corruption as you could. >> i'm struck no one was saying this. in chuckheard this todd with that conversation, the president cap asking the military for another option in the options that were presented -- medium, and large but always a troop increase. wha