. >> charlie: i met you when you were a top colleague of stan mcchrystal in afghanistan. he>> he remains a great friend of mine. >> charlie: he knows something about leadership. >> big time across the board. he's doing amazing things today for a lot of organizations and i think that will carry on for a while. >> charlie: we want to talk about i.s.i.s. we had one more example today -- >> yeah. >> charlie: -- when there is on the internet a video of the burning in a cage of a jordanian pilot who lost his plane and had to parachute out and was captured by i.s.i.s. and was the subject of an attempted exchange, which the jordanians with were prepared to do of a woman on death row in jordan. we don't know why that failed that exchange but we do know today with this video -- >> yeah, they put him inside a cage probably doused him in gasoline and they had a fuse going up to the cage and lit the thing off and then just sat there and videotaped that. so you can imagine the kind of mentality that we're dealing with when we're talking about this islamic extremism. >> charlie: what ki

and the right hand of stan mcchrystal in iraq and the intelligence -- >> and other jobs, too. but i've been at this a long time. >> tell me what you think will happen to land -- >> i don't see us returning to that picture on a map again. in any -- >> because we can't? >> because of the scale of the problem right now in that region. and unless there is as i said earlier, unless there's an international alliance that's formed and it's got to be formed pretty quickly, and our problem is we just don't lack internationally the agility to move that fast to bring something like that together. i mean, how long have we been talking about building a military force or some type of force to go back to fight these guys? >> but is there growing -- i'm asking, is there a growing recognition by saudi arabia, by jordan, by the emirates, by -- >> yeah. >> one of the demands of isis was jordan get out of the coalition. >> right. that's right. so you're going to see, i think i mean, there's already been attacks along the saudi border. >> yeah. >> so the problem is that you have a segment, not jus