largely under stan mcchrystal and then continued by bill mcraven, from an organization -- a large part of the book is really telling the story how it went from organization that was fairly small and designed for epsoddic operations and, and, then, you know became an organization, had to turn itself into an organization that was capable of year-long, multiyear long campaigns, 24/7 in multiple parts of the year simultaneously, so there is certainly organizational lessons there. how it, how it engaged with the u.s. government and, or another set of, sort of lessons learned. but i think going back to what i said earlier, from the policymakers point of view, the lesson is, you know, it's very important, for a country, like the united states, that has the interests of the united states to have an organization, like jsoc that can do what it can do. we should be very grateful we have that. however, it is probably a mistake to rely on that organization to do everything for you, absent more coherent strategy to solve your problems. >> host: thank you, sean naylor. congratulations again. >> guest