even fp you see some instances of tariff or stangs relianction you have a wedge between the u.s. and china that plays out globally or at least in the western world. >> allen made the point he didn't think a deal would happen any sooner unless things happen that effectively bring china toyotas knees or bring the u.s. to its knees would you agree. it's going to be very difficult for either side to come to an grem that's true. we could have some external factor that makes that happens it's likely this continues to drag on for quite a while. china has to be comfortable making openings in sectors it might not want to. the u.s. will have to address the issue. these are two very big issues that have been kicked down the road that's what we're going to be fighting with for the next year, at least >> all right thank you for your time. appreciate it. is main street gets this right or wrong welcome to you both. unfortunately, it's usually kind of a contrary sign when these out flows pick up the way they have >> it really is in the administration's interest not to put the tariffs on the mark