and talk to historian professor stanley kutler thank you very much indeed professor for being with us here on our team now you said in a recent article i've got it here in front of me off the huffington post that the tragic events ten years ago have nothing to do with the wars in afghanistan and iraq could you explain what you mean by that. not quite not quite. i did say that it was understandable that one of ours attacked it will retaliate and it was clear to us and for terms that while the evidence that was how much of that the taliban had been harboring al qaeda. so it is understandable still argue whether it was wise to go into afghanistan and rid a country of the taliban and try to it's straw and. take its place but you know we did get rid of the towel bet in a couple of months and now ten years later we're still there are that's what i question if iraq there is no correlation. between nine eleven and going to war with iraq and war with iraq was the cause of a certain element powerful american foreign. policy. president of the defense secretary the vice president or urged that wa