i am thinking of stanley milgram and others operating out of the top universities in california, whoinary people could be persuaded to do bad things, including torture of the other ordinary citizens, and concluded that actually, worryingly, yes, they could be persuaded quite easily. are you debunking and dismissing all of that evidence? well, many of it. you know, i used to believe in all of these experiments. i have written earlier books, that luckily have not been translated into english, about the stanford prison experiment, for example. it is only recently that i discovered, based on the work of an important french sociologist, thibault le texier, that it is actually a hoax. we all know this experiment about 2a students who were selected to participate in an experiment with a sort of fake prison. 12 were made into guards, i2 prisoners, and philip zimbardo, the researchers, sort of said i willjust sit back and just see what happens. and the story that he told later is that these students, on their own, started behaving in a very horrible way, and the message was obviously there is