stapleton roy, a former american ambassador to china, pointed out 20 years ago, i think, that there are more chinese free now than anytime in chinese history. that as china has pluralized -- not democratized, pluralized -- you no longer have to wear a mao jacket. you can now travel abroad. there are lots of things you can do. you can even go on the internet even though there's a great firewall. there are ways to jump over the firewall. chinese have more freedom than they had before. this is likely to continue. i don't think it's going to be a sudden change, but i think it's going to be a continuous change. .. >> it's interesting. if you look at -- if you look at the statement that donald rumsfeld made, it's quoted in the preface to my book on soft power, he followed me as a keynote speaker, and one the generals said what about soft power. he said, i don't know what it means. robert gates is secretary of defense even when he was serving the bush administration in 2007 gave a speech -- [no. audio] >> the course of the supertanker and government bureaucracies don't change quickly, and part