am kind of sluggish it is kind of convenient having a truck there as opposed to going to a starbucks or petes. i have never noticed these other businesses but as the last speaker said, if i came to the coffee truck, and i noticed them, there would be a time where i might come back. i also feel that times have changed and that i understand these people pay a lot of money for their rent and stuff like that. but they have to adjust to times and new things that are going on. and i urge you guys to up hold the permits. thank you. >> thank you. >> next, speaker, please? >> good evening, commissioners, or i should say good night. >> i am ken clevlan with the property owners association of the public policy. >> i think that you heard a lot of the arguments why these two permits should be revoked. even the department itself admits that it has been, or it has too much discretion in granting this permit for this espresso carts. we have got to look at the larger picture. the larger picture is that we have to protect our tenants and they are facing an onslot of out of town, food trucks coming in in a down