this should be decide on a state by state level and i'm proud that massachusetts is the first state to legalize gay marriage. i hope the supreme court repeals doma. >> you would keep this at the state level? what about any constitutional lights for same sex married couples at the state level, can the state say we're not going to recognize it? >> that's on the premise that marriage is best defined by the state. my fed raist principles democracy works best when there is engaged citizenry. states define marriage. that's the best states to make those determinations. that's where significant social policies are best left to be decided at the state level. >> dan, >> i think this goes to the core values of who we are, quality and freedom. and i think that if one of us are equal, none of us equal. i think we all need to be equal regardless of who you are or who you love. if toirp vote i would work to make sure that those principles were followed throughout my time in the senate. >> this is a state issue and this is coming up on prop 8 as well. the people of california spoke. i don't agree with

but even that kind of a decision would not preclude us going from state to state and flipping states one by one, under either a state constitutional provisions or through the legislature. >> so i know you're planning on going to oral arguments tomorrow. what do you expect to know after the oral arguments? what are you watching for? what should we be looking for when we release the tape, in terms of either tipping their hand about which way they're going to go, or what might be important in their ruling? >> one important thing to look for is the off-ramp, which is the big kind of standing issue, which is, are the right people bringing this case? so one of the ways in which the supreme court could kick this case, without having to reach the merits of the case, is to say, this case may be meritorious or not, but the wrong parties appealed this. it should have been the governor of california or the california attorney general, since they declined to appeal. the proponents of prop 8 are the ones that are the improper parties that are going to kick it and it guess back down to the district

state. kircherslators in the case had no individual particularized injury, but this court recognized they were proper representatives of the state's interests. >> at least one of them has suggested that it seems counterintuitive to think that the state is going to delegate to people who do not have a fiduciary duty to them. that is going to delegate a responsibility of representing the state to individuals who have their own views. they proposed the ballot initiative because it was their own individual views, not necessarily that of the state. justice scalia offered the question of the attorney general. the attorney general has no personal interest. >> true. >> though he has a fiduciary obligation. >> the attorney general, whether a fiduciary obligation or not, is in normal circumstances the representative of the state to defend the ability of the state enactments when they are challenged in federal court. but when an officer does not do so, the state shirley hawes -- surely has every author

israel living side-by-side with a demilitarized palestinian state. [applause] but perhaps the most tangible evidence of your support has been through your commitment to foreign aid into israel missile defense programs. because of this administrations dedication to israel, more than $400 million has been invested in iron dome. [applause] your support, mr. vice president during operation killer of defense and commitment to these life-saving systems enables israel to defend itself while preventing a wider conflict. million of israelis are able to sleep more soundly tonight because of the investment and commitment, you, president obama, and congress have made to israel's security. [applause] vice president biden, please give our thanks to president obama for his support in strengthening the u.s.-israel alliance. [applause] and please thank him for going to israel in a few weeks. [applause] this trip sends an important message to the people of israel and the world about america's commitment to the jewish state. ladies and gentlemen, i am honored to introd

the united states has expanded. the level of support to the syrian opposition on the political side of trying to make the syrian opposition more effective and certainly this week in an arab league we'd meeting. the leader of the opposition al-khateeb has been seated in the eyes of the arab league the legitimate representative of the syrian people that's a symbolic step but then again from a political standpoint it's an important step now the challenge is to make the op is. mission you know more viable prepared to govern. when the day comes that assad. leaves power. but most importantly to be seen as a viable alternative in the eyes of the syrian people that remains ongoing challenge the i state has drawn a line where it will not provide lethal assistance to the syrian opposition but is obviously involved in a process where for those countries that are providing military assistance to make sure it goes to. those who support an inclusive tolerant future syrian society and our guards say international law it is it lega

gained a lot of popularity in the state of texas this petition to secede from the united states and create its own government so now texas switched over to the system they would have their own currencies so i know this is talking like a long shot but if this were to happen a and the state of texas could that possibly make it more make it possible for texas to operate on its own. well i'll tell you what liz it's a real ball shot i doubt it's ever going to happen but if things get bad enough under obama in the next four years it becomes a little bit less of a long shot you never know how they actually back up that threat with actually doing something about it it will be a net loss for america the second biggest economy in the united states of america and in my book the ultimate obama survival guide i actually quote an expert about moving out of united states because tracks are so high the economy is collapsing and declining and that experts say you know what i don't think you really have to move out of united states you can just move to the greatest country in the united states it's called t

president barack obama is about to visit the state of israel the first time during his time in office the so-called peace process we're told is not on the agenda so the real purpose of the visit around syria with what i call the great in the arab muslim world what does obama hope to achieve beyond paying his respects. to cross a bomb has upcoming visit to israel i'm joined by norman finkelstein a new york political analyst and an author and in amman we have. co-editor of john the gentleman you can jump in anytime you want you know crosstalk rules maureen if i can go to you first i mean why is obama going to the middle east now what does he want to achieve. it doesn't appear that he's trying to achieve anything people who know us foreign policy much better than i have suggested that the purpose of the visit is simply to visit and to check that box and to be able to demonstrate that he's been to israel and to get out of the way at the beginning of his term and it doesn't and it certainly has as you yourself mentioned the so-called peace process is not on the agenda he's not bringing any

on the other hand, if the state loses, the state can appeal. so this is a one-way ratchet as it favors the state, and allows governors and other constitutional officers in different states to thwart the initiative process. >> that's the -- that's the way the california supreme court saw it with respect to california law. the governor and the attorney general of california are elected to act in the best interests of the state of california. they made a professional judgment given their obligations as officers of the state of california. the california supreme court has said that proponents -- and by the way, only four of the five are here. dr. tam withdrew from the case because of some -- many things he said during the election campaign. >> well, mr. olson, is it your position that the only people who could defend a ballot, a law that's adopted in california through the ballot initiative are the attorney general and the governor, so that if the attorney general and the governor don't like the ballot initiative, it will go undefended? is that you

just this past november four states very liberal states voted on this issue. my side lost all four of those votes. but my side had 45%, 46% of the vote in all four of those liberal states. in fact, those marriage amendments that i supportd that would keep marriage for a man and woman outran mitt romney in the four libertarians ra libern average of 4 points. and then. >> chris: i have to go to nicolle. how important do you think same-sex marriage is as a gateway issue for republicans maintaining credibility with new younger voters? >> i think what is most important is that the debate remains civilized and that it remains intellectual and remains the debate about the role of marriage in our life and we have to have room in our party for both mr. bauer and me. >> chris: on that note of unusual agreement, thank you both. thanks for talking with us and we will hear what the justices have to say when they consider these two cases this week. thank you both for coming in. >> thank you. >> chris: up next we will continue the discussion with the sunday group. will the s

or when a state has empowered a state court in one state to go to another state and enforce the state taxation in that other state. it's not happened. this is revolution. it's revolution. not only is this complicated, this is revolutionary. we have not done this before, nothing similar. but i understand the arguments of those who want to pass this. there are some -- they make some good points. and i've said to senator durbin, senator enzi and others that we in the finance committee will very seriously take this up as soon as we can. it will probably be in the context of tax reform. but let me repeat, it's -- it raises lots of questions that have not been addressed with respect to states' rights; that is, the degree to which authorities in one state or courts in one state are able to go to another state and enforce state taxation issues. now, certainly, we have the full, faith and credit clause in the constitution where someone in california, for example, gets a court order -- or wants to enforce a collection of a tax in california, that cannot be overturned in another state. that is n

these are state obligations, this a state matter. but so it becomes hard to nationalize it but i do think either you trust people or you don't. and the one thing i will say which is just an interesting empirical point. these efforts in places like pennsylvania, trying to restrict voting were so completely counterproductive i have to think one of the reasons minority part participation was so approximatelyically high this time was because there was a reaction against these things. i think any party, especially the republican party would be approximatelyically stupid, let alone the fairness issue, to ever try this again. >> well. >> i mean, invincible stupidity is not a stranger in american poll-- politics. >> woodruff: there is everything invincible about the two of you, mark shields, david brook, thank you. mark and and mark and david keep up the talk, on the "doubleheader," recorded in our newsroom. that will be posted at the top of the rundown later tonight. >> brown: again, the major developments of the day: the final hours ticked

- state.n ted olson is up for 20 minutes to argue that it is a matter of equal rights and you, the supreme court, should not only decided in a narrow way, you should rule it as a right to marry. hat donald overly -- verrilli joined the case on olson's side. he's got 10 minutes to argue, as he did in the brief, that discrimination against people based on their sexual orientation is constitutionally suspect. there is no good reason for it. he will say, you, the supreme court, should rule that this kind of discrimination as unwarranted, and so proposition 8 should be struck down on the grounds that it is discriminatory. host: what is the role of the 14th amendment? caller: it says that no state should deny to any person the equal protection of the loss. really the underlying question in this case is, are gays and lesbians and title to the full equal protection of the law? in the night -- in 1950, the court said racial discrimination was unconstitutional. in the 1970's, the court in a series of ca

a recipient state may choose the funding for any state priority. so if we're talking here about 48 million bucks, that goes to state agencies that had these four -- these four oscar awards in regards to food stamps, and -- but they can use the funding for anything, for any state priority. eliminating these unnecessary state bonuses will save taxpayers over ten years $480 million. another area where my legislation streamlines government programs is through the elimination of the snap nutrition education grant program. a number of existing nutrition education programs are delivered more equitably with a more cost beftd ratio that makes -- cost benefit ratio that makes sense. at least six programs by the national institute of health, land grant university extension programs. in practice, the snap education program is inekably distributed with the top four states receiving over 54% of the funding, the bottom 33 state agencies receive less than 1% of the total. funding. that's not right. with credit to senator rubio. additionally, our bill ends inflatio

we seek an independent, viable and contiguous state along the jewish state of israel.ons enjoying self determination, security and peace. as i've said many times, the only way to achieve that goal is through direct negotiations. there is no short cut to a sustainable solution. in our discussion with president abbas, i heard him speak out about the difficult issues that could not be ignored. among them, problems caused by continued settlement activity. the plight of palestinian prisoners and holy sites in inju jerusalem. i understand the status quo isn't really a status quo because the situation on the ground continues to evolve in a direction that make it is harder to reach a two-state solution. i know the palestinian people are deeply frustrated. so what are my main messages today? the same message i give in israel. we cannot give up. we cannot give up on the search for peace, no matter how hard it is. as i said with prime minister netanyahu yesterday, we will continue to look for steps that both israelis and palestinians can take to build the trust and the confidence

citizen in the united states? and we all have strong feelings about that program, we all have strong feelings about the war on terror, these are all legitimate issues but this is a very direct question that's been asked. and what would have resolved this hours ago from my understanding and if i'm incorrect, the senator from kentucky will correct me in a moment, my understanding is he has offered two ways to bring this to a resolution. one is just a statement from the white house, a clear, unequivocal statement that says, of course, it's unconstitutional, it's not going to happen, just a straightforward statement of that magnitude. in fact, i've been watching on television over the last few hours, i saw the senator from kentucky say they reached out the white house, they've been unable to get a direct response. maybe that's changed in the interim. i don't know, we'll hear from him in a moment. the other is and i hear he made a motion to have a resolution here that made it clear that was the sense of this body. that

attacking states, laying low state governments, depleting the taliban, defeating al qaeda -- iraq. it will not stop it because terrorism, like sustainability, like markets, are interdependent in their character. so what we have created in the beginning of the 21st century is a deep asymmetry between the challenges we face and the political response the political institutions we have to respond to that. every challenge is interdependent, global cross frontier, and the primary political actors that respond are bounded, frontiered, independent nation states. and in that asymmetry, you can see the dysfunction of the modern world. we watch, for example, starting four or five years in copen hagueen and going through mexico city and dubai and nations came together to renew the kyoto protocol already out of term of the date. at least to embrace that antiquated document and failing to do so. and going home and saying that is because our sovereignty says china said the u.s., says now canada, even leaders on keogh know doesn't permit us to monitor, to report to international body, doesn't per

kim and a state have the power, or is obligated, to give a state driver's license? federal license. the driver's license is controlled by the state's deep policy is controlled by the fed. the governor had toake this position because her state suffers the most from the immigration problem. lou: absolutely. the states of arizona has been upheld in the majority he had to defend state law before the supreme court. i want to bring the audience up to date that is not being reported. with a deferred order by president obama, only three states peit drivers licenses for illegal immigrants but as many as 40 states are now interpreting the deferred deportation order to confer thatright day make moves to pass that into law as the executive order or a change as a result of the deportation order it is a startling trend or attention is not brought to either. now let's turn to the export -- expert witness what you make of this man? has he destroyed single-handedly whenever there was for the defense? >> he tries to find any reasonable doubt and says there is a possibility there is a

around the state. there's also a growing business community and a growing community of people who are all working for the latino community in those states. so that's one reaction that i've had. another reaction that i have seen in terms of questions that i've received is, "why are they coming to this state? what is attracting them to this state? why are so many immigrants, particularly unauthorized immigrants particularly, in this particular community, or in this particular city?" so that's the... on the other side, some of the questions that i get about this trend. >> hinojosa: do you find, mark, that sometimes these questions come with just a little bit of fear? you know, why are they here? how long are they going to stay? it's changed everything, and i'm not so sure how i feel about that. >> it is interesting to see how americans have reacted to immigrants in the united states in their views of immigrants. at the pew research center we have done a number of surveys asking americans generally about,

some states do and some don't. the funding passes through the state until georgia. so our state refugee coordinator who is responsible for coordinating that program to make sure services are provided and to hand the contracts and that sort of thing. so that is very quick nuts and bolts about how the process works in georgia. some of the things we're proud of in georgia, we have -- we are tied with texas for having the early self-sufficiency rate in the country. [applause] in ga, 80% of refugees are working and paying their own expenses with wages earned within 180 days of getting off the airplane. that is amazing. as a refugee serving agency would like to take all the credit for that but refugees are ideal clients because they didn't get here, you know, easily. when you talk about less than 1% of refugees being resettled, it is the most resilient people who are able to navigate this process and come here. so georgia is a wonderful place for refugees buttle refugees are wonderful for georgia as well. they really enrich the vimet here. le refugees -- there are some my

the real state of the union essays on united states the angry american our commentary on social rage. hobbies, travel in the form of ussr, the mideast and europe. paul, jeffrey sarrabin. >> the statistics that i gave from this quite remarkable 5,500 were recapped. do you believe that the historical account as given by at least two of the gospel writers of the christmas the angels announcing to mary. >> no, i'm not a theologian. >> do you think it's not treating as historical jesus' true history? >> well, i'm a histo historian t know howuch historical evidence there is for this. we don't know the historical evidence his yuns go by. >> well,, the row monocatholic church council said you don't have to accept it in it full littoral teerality. >> sure i do. these statistics are fromour article. it's on the question of is religion very important to you. 60% of americans say religion is very important to them. 30% that of the irish, 30%, 27% of italians, 20% of germans, and 10% of french say that religion is very important to them. does that kiss appoint disappoi? >> it's welsh. in the nethe

there is the 50 states. everyone has a fundamental right to marriage. >> the ninth circuit when it struck down prop 8 tried to craft an opinion that was particular to prop 8 to keep the supreme court at bay. the fact at least four justices thought they should take the case, suggested that was not an entirely successful effort. i don't think the court is really anxious to weigh into this thicket. something is trying to stack the deck all together by finding they don't have standing may be attractive. >> the interesting thing here for me is that when you pair doma with -- the federal policy -- with the very california specific ruling about prop 8 that the appellate court wrote, really just for california, that ruling, if the supreme court were to strike down doma and prop 8, that would be an incremental step relative to the 50-state solution. >> if they don't strike down doma on some broad ground. >> nobody as you pointed out, scott, nobody will be able to get newly married of same-sex couples if dome an mafal

they didn't force that on the states, but the states then have to decide, you know, just what make upheir own mind what marriage is going to be and i think this conversation and what the courts argue, makes it cheer that this case came upon the supreme court so quickly, the idea that same sex marriage has gained acceptance in society that they're saying that we are very uncomfortable with the making a decision that the supreme court should enshrine same sex marriage in the constitution. >> right. >> this has not been litigated and only nine states legalized it and so i'm kind of with james, saying that they're going to find a reason to kick this back to the states. >> paul: i think that's true in proposition 8, but that doesn't mean they couldn't overturn doma. >> i think they will probably overturn doma. it's crucial as justice kennedy said, if congress doesn't have the authority to define marriage because that's traditionally a state role, then we don't need to reach the equal protection, or decide in the appeals case that the law constitutionally discriminates against gays and that

once and the united states has the will they could immediately stop israel from destroying the very last opportunity of peace based on two state solution but they're not doing that the question is would he have visited them a lot if he was not visiting israel and i doubt that. well and yet the main message from the bomb is three day trip was not even on the decades long conflict but rather more of the usual recruit on the situation in neighboring syria the united states continues to work with allies and friends and the syrian opposition to hasten the end of assad's rule and only ran on its nuclear program more of the same warnings netanyahu seized on that he sent a message to tehran about american loyalty to israel mr president i want to thank you once again for always making clear that israel must be able to defend itself by itself against any through it it's no coincidence that obama chose israel for the first foreign visit of his second term relations between him and it on yahoo have been strained particularly over west bank settlements and the rain in through it and although the

just this past november, four states, very liberal states, voted on this issue.r of those votes but my side had 45, 46% of the vote in all four of those liberal states. in fact, those marriage amendments that i supported, that would keep marriage of a man and a woman, out ran mitt romney in those four liberal states by an average of 5 points. >> chris: no, we're out of time and i have to go to nicole and i want to ask one final question. how important -- and again i don't think the politics of this should be the determinative factor, and hopefully won't be in the supreme court. how important do you think same sex marriage is as a gateway issue for republicans maintaining credibility with new younger voters? >> i think what is most important is that the debate remains civilized and remain intellectual and remain a debate about the role of marriage in our lives and we have to have room in ourpat party for both mr. bauer and me. >> chris: unusual agreement, thank you both and thanks for talking with us and we'll hear what the justices have to say when they consider

states. we either adopt the revolution or push is along a little, or we stay out of it. and i think mr. clement was saying, we need to stay out of it. the way to stay out is to go with the traditional thing. that's an argument. so your answer is what? >> i think that's an incorrect argument. >> i understand you do. >> of course, congress did not stay out of it. section three of doma is stopping the recognition by the federal government of couples who are already married solely based on their sexual orientation, and what it's doing is undermining as you can see in the briefs of new york and others, it's undermining the policy decisions by those states that have permitted gay couples to marry. states that have already resolved the political, moral, whatever other trovers that are resolved in those states. and by fencing those couples off, couples already married and treating them as unmarried for the purposes of federal law, you're not taking it one step at a time, you're not promoting caution.

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there will be a sovereign palestinian state, a jewish state of israel. those two states will, i think will be able to deal with each other the same way all states do. the united states and canada has arguements once a while but they are not arguments that can't be solved diplomatically. i think we can push through some of these problems and make sure we don't use them as an excuse not to do anything. >> our second question comes from the u.s. delegation and it will be the last question. >> mr. president, president abbas. on behalf of my colleagues i want to get more specific on the settlements and the peace process. mr. president, when you started your administration you called for a halt and it held for a while then dissipated. then late last year israel announced activity that you put out a statement that people thought were nonresponsive. what would you say here, to those entrepreneural palestinians that you referenced who believe you have been equivocal or nonresponsive? do you believe it is necessary r the peace process to start from the israel gove

if it did we'd already have other states recognizing current states' marriage. the full faith and credit clause doesn't apply to marriage licenses. it does happen to apply to divorce contracts and that's a critical distinction. my worry-- and i think one of the paradoxes of this-- if i were karl rove right now i'd be praying for "loving v. virginia. " it takes it off the table and -- >> rose: what is "loving v. virginia?" >> that was the landmark case which finally struck down anti-miscegenation laws in the states that still held them at the same which were still very popular in those states, i have to say, at the time. and what happened until now was that gay marriage was a wedge issue which got the republican votes. increasingly their attachment to being against this and being hostile to gays is losing them generation after generation. >> rose: karl rove would want it to be taken off the table? >> taken off the table and democrats would use it as a wedge issue against them. my view, for what it's worth, is that i want the court to take a rather restrained view

states and israel. that there isbetween the two countries. i am going to give you -- that there is no space between the two countries. that there is no space between united states and israel. i want to take concerted action if that action is necessary. thank you. >> senator gillibrand, let me pick up on aware senator mccain left off. clearly, there can be no daylight between the united states and is wrong -- and israel in dealing with iran. what can the u.s. congress and the a administration do to reduce the perception that israel and america are at it alone? >> as a member of congress, we have used that platform as a way to show our commitment to israel and make a statement that our fundamental security is intertwined with israel. for example, we have a resolution from last week that says we will stand by israel economically and military of -- and militarily. we leave those letters out of the senate. whether it is standing up for israel's right to present the flotilla from crossing or to actually have

there is a secretary of state and there is jeffrey feldman who is now the secretary of state at the state department who used to be ambassador to beirut and it was his convoy that used to a people in beirut and they used to annoy me when i was stuck at an intersection waiting for him to drive through. and i think it's always worth remembering that you have to try to look at things from other people's perspective if you want to understand what they are going through. whether it's as a lebanese and what the u.s. is trying to do from their perspective or whether it's americans like jeff saltzman or hillary clinton to say what does it look like if you are in pakistani? was it feel like if you are living in beirut but also it's quite emotional. i write about how i landed a route and i call my sister and she is like what does it mean for is? what is the plan? there is the question ,-com,-com ma what is the plan as though america has it on the table. and then there is this moment that i share with the secretary of because it's the first time she goes to beirut. she has never been to my country b

settlement as it is under a one state settlement in practice of course this is something that. we need to be discussed and negotiated between the parties and i think our view is that on the basis of a clear recognition both of the rights of the refugees and perhaps even more importantly of historical injustice and the responsibility for that injustice that meaningful negotiations become possible and there are all kinds of additional mechanisms that one could think of for example an international commission of eminent persons who could who could provide a view not only on the refugee question itself but also how it might be resolved first and foremost to the satisfaction of the refugees themselves but also one that would be consistent with durable israeli palestinian peace norm and what to talk about the one state solution because that's also an option out there is being created actually. in the abstract you can talk about what the solution and you can talk about one state you can talk about those states you can talk about the elimination of all borders in the world in one big y

and state safety institutions. so that clearly is our highest priority. i will say we are frustrated somewhat in our ability to completely fulfill what want to do there, and that the provisions of the continuing resolution, the funding that we are currently living on respect us from doing certain new activities which were called for under map-21. so we are certainly hoping the continuing resolution unshackle system during the if we're going to have another c.r. for the remainder of the year. since i have many of the representatives of the state in the room of what use this opportunity to call your attention if you haven't already seen them, your governors and many of the members of the commissioners of the state transportation departments in the realm have received letters both from secretary lahood and for myself outlining a number of important things. we now have in trying to strengthen our safety profile and improve value added way, the safety of the transit system funds, we need to do that in partnership with y

in terms of the involvement of the united states in pursuing a two-state solution.over there, to, we've call dd a charm offensive. he is not polling very well in israel. >> you could put it like that. >> 10% approval rating. he spoke to an audience of 1,000 israeli students. if you look at the numbers of what young people think in terms of support for a two-state solution. among 18-24-year-olds, only 40% favor a palestinian state. that number increases by the time you get to 55-64-year-olds, it's 67%. there's clearly a lot of work to be done in terms of making the case to israeli youth that a two-state solution should be the road forward. >> there is. but and by the way, israeli youth isn't just another demographic, they're the people who serve in the military. unless you're ultraorthodox and even that's changing now, all of those people face the very real consequences of what this political situation is. and so to some degree, they're really hyperradicalized by any suggestion of conflict. because they're engaging in it. beyond that, israelis and palestinians at thi

no state that bans gay marriage now would have the ban overturned, it would mean no state that would allow gay marriage would have that overturned. no case that recognizes civil unions would forcibly have the civil unions converted to marriage either. that seems like maybe it could be the most likely outcome of today's case. honestly, who knows. ted olson, the lawyer, was asked after the arguments today what he thinks the court is going to do, having stood there, toe to toe with justices and talking to them an hour. he was asked what he thinks the justices are going to do, and his answer was, and i quote "no idea." we did get to hear the justices at lengths, not just on procedural issues, but also on gay rights. what they said was not only fascinating, but may have bigger implications for the other half of this issue, which will be heard tomorrow. tomorrow, it isn't a single state's ban up for review like today. tomorrow the arguments are about a federal law, the bill clinton defense of marriage act, doma. it says a marriage in any one state is a marriage everywhere in the u.s., for

to bomb the united states. they vowed to defend their leaders to the death and today, a new threat to shut down a factory complex seen as the last major symbol of cooperation with south korea. elizabeth pran is following the story. >> reporter: like you said we've seen a stream of threats that continue. statements reaching an all time high. north korea says this is the final warning. >> from this time on the north-south relations will be entering the stay of war and all issues raised between the north and south will be handled accordingly. a state of peace nor war has ended on the korean peninsula. >> reporter: the young leader threatening to close an industrial complex. manufacturing plants from both north and south korea not far from the border. thousands of north koreans work there. they say the threat is unhelpful to the country's unstable relations. state run media releasing a photograph of the middle night meeting with his staff. his rocket plans target military bases and cities in the u.s. you can see th

and these are moving on what might be considered a state-to- state basis.he rations -- russians tell us they are simply existing honoring -- they are simply honoring existing weapons supply contracts today are making it possible for the regime to continue to kill -- existing weapons supply contracts. of course, they are making it possible for the assad regime to continue to kill citizens. these are provisions, again, coming directly from governments which have insisted that they are playing an appropriate role in the support of the legitimate government. host: you said earlier, the cia playing this role, about trying to control the influx of weapons into the country is one of the first steps to negotiate -- negotiating. this is the headline in "the baltimore sun." -- namesue day opposition legitimate syrian government. what does this mean towards some sort of resolution in syria? , the opposition has been gaining legitimacy with .he international world this is a big step to positioning the opposition to sit across the table as an equal partner of the syrian

i didn't mean the better reese would collapse as a state what i meant was state property the enterprises that underpin the economy agriculture which we have upgraded and you have to go back to. in the time when i first became president it was a time when we couldn't feed our own people we had empty shelves and there was no food on the table as i say today we have plenty of food for our people and our prices are much lower than in russia or ukraine or the uses today we export five billion dollars worth of produce annually we have invested a lot of money into two major upgrades in agriculture. new people in power decide to sell it off various face disaster i don't want our industrial enterprises or companies working in other sectors to be auctioned off for a penny i would like bell aris to be run by a man who will not go to extremes bode rather continue this cause domestic policy should be in line with the will of the people and the way of life which will emerge at that time not only in better use but in the whole world. how seriously do you regard your political opponent for example those

the united states leads the charge. the arabs don't participate mill tear he and then criticize the u.s. for getting into a war in another muslim country. so it was about making sure the perception of what was happening was accurate. do you want to call it leading from indy it's certainly not leading from the front but i'm not sure it's the right characterization. it's a more collaborative approach and bringing people on board. >> host: do you think the united states would have gone into libya had france and the arab league not been pushing for and it promising -- >> guest: possibly not. possibly not. the french were absolutely adamant they wanted to go ahead with this. and i think that was part of the -- one of the factors that shaped the conversation when people were debating this within the administration. clinton tells the president, look, the french are going ahead with this, with us or without us, and we may as well get in there and shape this to look like something we can work with. there's no point having just a

north korea's state t.v. announced the move, and it warned south korea's new president to choose her response carefully. >> ( translated ): the south korean president should behave with discretion, clearly mindful that a wrong word may entail horrible disaster at a time when the north-south relations are being pushed to the lowest ebb and the danger of an all-out war is increasing on the korean peninsula. >> sreenivasan: the north has already cut a red cross hotline with the south, as well as another with the u.n. command at the border. it is all a response to u.n. sanctions aimed at punishing north korea for conducting a nuclear test last month. former c.i.a. director david petraeus has resurfaced publicly for the first time since he resigned last november. he addressed a dinner in los angeles last night, and apologized for the extra-marital affair that cost him his career. petraeus said he knows he can never un-do the pain he caused. but he said, he's trying to move forward. >> this has obviously been a ver

not as a matter of state policy.thanks, iran has a strong recently affect the counternarcotics effort and i know that because it's on the order with afghanistan and we have opportunity to understand what's happening over there. i think you'd find if you ask the dea that a rant can very affect getting counternarcotics. on the other hand, and all the states in the region there are high officials that are not averse to being part of the process. >> at earl, in regards to syria, is very dear or is their planning as to if and when assad falls, religious cleansing, ethnic cleansing and the danger that shows us. >> there is a great deal of danger in the endgame scenario. of course i am not a syria expert, but i watch it closely. the closest analog is seeking back during the balkans in the 1990s when we had competing ethnic demographic religious groups that really turned the balkans into a night air for the better part of 10 years. we saw 100,000 killed, 2 million people push across borders, one in bosnia, i think unfortunat

i didn't see an end state. there was no i was going to get through this, as far as being able to move forward. i don't think i ever, i was never really going to follow through, but i had my moments where i was in a dark place trying to find, seek resolution. it's hard to talk about and it's hard to admit to, but yeah i had my moments where i questioned at kind of future i would have. >> sreenivasan: these veterans stress the urgency of a solution. >> yeah, there's no time. and we can't afford for this to continue to happen. there's 22 veteran suicides every day and there's people out there that need help. >> sreenivasan: so who do you think is responsible for where we are today and the frustrations that so many of these veterans are facing? >> well, again, the president was very clear when i arrived four years ago that he wants this fixed. he has given us the resources, a 40% increase, so you're speaking to the individual who has that responsibility. >> sreenivasan: the buck stops with you? >> the buck stops ri

own state.s a wonderful line that i will cherish because it really gets down to the essence of what this state is about. that is why i know that you appreciate that israel can never cede the right to defend ourselves to others, even to the greatest of our friends, and israel has no better friend than the united states of america. so i look forward to continuing to work with you to address what is an existential threat to israel, and a great threat to the peace and security of the world. mr. president, we discussed today the situation in syria, we share the goal of seeing a stable and peaceful syria emerge from the carnage that we have witnessed over the last two years. that carnage has already resulted in the deaths of over 70,000 people and the suffering of millions. we also share a determination to prevent the deadly arsenal of weapons within syria from falling into the hands of terrorist hands. and i have no doubt that the best way to do that is to work closely with the united states and othe

and every state racking up the rest of us 50 more. in states like mine, two thirds of our land.p does have benefits for american people everywhere regardless of where they live. people enjoy visiting national parks. they benefit in different ways at different land designations we have. there's also an economic impact. perhaps the most significant is the fact federal public land cannot be taxed by state and local governments. land authorities are unable to tax it. in order to offset, a program called payment in lieu of taxes considering the whole purpose of the program is to offset losses in property tax revenue to the local taxing jurisdictions. would you agree payments should be of some way roughly equivalent to the revenues that would otherwise be flowing into these jurisdictions before the federal land ownership? >> the issue is more complex than a simple answer. i know there are vast tracts of land sparsely populated. i do appreciate it is important that a tax base that there'd be appropriate support for this communities to thrive. in some cases has resigned chairman wyden b

let the state decide. no.'t let people vote on whether people have fundamental constitutional rights. >> every time this is put to a vote, on a state level, it's gone against it. should this be something do you think susan decided by the courts or should it be decided democratically through referenda across all the states? >> the counter argument would be allowing the states to decide, you have more buy-in, whatever the outcome will be. nine states voted to endorse marriage between the same-sex couples. so there is buy-in for the states. if you have it hoisted on them by the supreme court, don't forget 30 states that voted that decided marriage should be between a man and woman, you are forcing the states to take on something they don't support. is that the right way to approach it? don't you want people to decide what is going to be, the way their state will op buy-in. >> people don't get to vote on what is constitutional. that is what the court is for. that is the point. >> there are people in the south said

even in the pelican state.s a member of a group called state policy network or s.p.n., a nonprofit which supports conservative think tanks in all fifty states. s.p.n. and its affiliates are backed by republican donors like the coors family, the kochs and corporate interests like exxon mobil and phillip morris. so the good citizens of all the states with similar schemes to dump income tax and raise sale taxes should seriously question who really benefits. and if they're the same snake oil salesmen who keep saying how great that scheme really is. joining me he tonight is lee fong, a contributor to the nation who is investigating state policy network. welcome back to the war room, lee. >> hey michael thanks for having me. michael: of course. we've talked on this show about the american legislative exchange council alec, working as a right wing bill mill. what does the state policy network to in relation to alec14. >> it is basically the p.r. firm for alec. spn will set up a think tank in a state capitol create pol