they are doing, they are using radio waves to again the signal from the computer, to another base stationnn to nsa's network, and then the data would be analyzing from that. in simple temps, they use is a creating their own radio transmission system or using the system that already exists in the computer, too transmit data. either way, they can make it useful, from an intelligence perspective this is how they work with this program. neil: all right. i guess a lot of americans will hear this, say well we're tealindealing with chinese larg, that find we have always been concerned about what they are doing to us. but this can be done to us as well, right in. >> yes, it come you mention russians and chinese, they are active in do the same thing. especially the chinese with going after backdoors on computer systems, able to hack into the systems, and actually using the data that is on those system to find other people. and so you make those connections you infection one computer, you can use that to your advantage. neil: this the week we'll get wind of what kind of restricts president obama wan