amiral stavridis also here. as well as things turning around in ukraine. >> yeah. >> it's pretty extraordinary. but, you know, willie, there's a time in a game, a basketball game, you can just see it on the court happening. football game. soccer. and in politics. i've always noticed it in politics. i'm sure you have, too. where a momentum shifts in a very significant way. and, again, we're still -- we're still a long way off until the election. i'm not saying that republicans aren't going to have a historic year. they should. but last night was joe biden and the democratic party off their heels for the first time, i think, since 2020. and actually leaning in. going on the offensive. telling republicans, joe biden saying, not only am i not for defunding the police, i'm not for defunding the fbi. and the words that will break through to independents who are looking at this maga republican party. and understanding they're so disconnected from the most basic of american values when it comes to patriotism. whether it

admiral jim stavridis. james stavridis is a member of the atlantic council's board of directors, and he had a distinguished career in the navy. distinguished is an understatement. rising to the level of four-star admiral and serving as the 16th supreme allied commander of nato, where he oversaw operations in afghanistan, libya, syria, the balkans, and counter-piracy off the coast of africa. he is the longest serving combatant commander in recent u.s. history. he writes regularly, having published 12 books and hundreds of articles. i'm sure you've seen him on television as well. he's one of the most important voices on foreign affairs and the future of warfare anywhere. and i'm going to plug another book. this was one that elliot wrote together with admiral stavridis. and it's just an absolutely brilliant, brilliant piece of writing. and then finally, lyla kohistany and nilofar sakhi are two of our outstanding nonresident senior fellows affiliated with our scowcroft center and south asia center, respectively

admiral stavridis, great to see you.trip that speaker pelosi has made to taiwan. >> well, first and foremost, china is a little unpredictable at this moment, the good news with the 20th party congress coming up this fall, president xi who will certainly be annoyed coming up in the five-year term ahead for china. he's not looking at the bad news for a fight for this point. the bad news, this would give him cause to do something and countervailing technology is he needs to look strong. it could be in the air, at sea, in cyber. they have a lot of latitude to make things very difficult. the visit comes at a time when the u.s. is trying to focus on ukraine and russia. why we would want this moment to be one where we set a high-level delegation at this level. once every 25-year level delegation, i don't think it was perhaps the best use of this speaker's time. >> so, it's interesting that you bring up ukraine, right, kind of a full-circle moment as we've been coming ukraine for the last six months or so, and the war there. and

stavridis was wrong about, well , that is, they are still very, very far from the middle ages originally there was this community system somewhere like that stone age where are they by the way very quickly and forgive thanks to technological sanctions russia has uh and what they weave. it’s good, except for their paws, uh, they weave with their tongues and uh, of course, you have to pay attention to all this, because you can read uh, a lot of predictions between the lines. by the way, we will also talk about how on the eve of a full-scale invasion what the russians threw into the information space not only their own, but also abroad, but whether there will be a war or not, it turns out that there was such monitoring that they reassured the clones of no war and there will never be one, professor vasylenko said very well, actually the creator of the declaration on the state sovereignty he said that in ukraine, ukraine is already at war with russia, that was in 2014 on several fronts, and at the same time, while there, the ukrainian military is spilling blood and restraining the advance of

admiral four star james stavridis.ith his time. >> we'll do it for charity. >> and former chief of cia, marc pollymeopoulos. thank you. >>> former watchdog abandoned plans to try to recover deleted secret service messages. joining us now. reporter for "the washington post." she and her colleague, broke the latest development in the growing development in the controversy. it is just hard to believe they are gone where text messages are found. they're findable. how could they be completely gone? >> you know, mika. colleagues of mine at the washington post have been posing that exact issue. and they produced a story this weekend that was essentially saying a lot of techies, thousands of techies say as you do, that there has to be a way to recover these. but they also found if the secret service's method was to be trusted. there was no backup system. in other words, they all use iphones. the secret service. and there is not an icloud backup system. when they asked techies, being we recreate this if the phones were reset? t

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retired four-star navy admiral, james stavridis, thank you so much for being on this morning.ng the very latest in ukraine, specifically around the nuclear power plant. >>> coming up, one of the most criticized actions of the trump administration was the separation of migrant children from their families at the border. now, an extensive investigation is bringing more of that policy to light. what led to it? how did they talk about this? we'll talk to the reporter behind this investigation next on "morning joe." >>> also ahead, a conversation on extremism in the republican party. one of our next guests says it didn't start with donald trump and it won't end with him either. "morning joe" is back in just a moment. ing something about it. the inflation reduction act will reduce costs for millions of families. it lowers the cost of drugs and ramps up production of american-made clean energy. that means lower energy bills for families, jobs for our communities, and the boldest plan to take on climate change we've ever seen. the inflation reduction act will “bring relief to millions

navy admiral, our friend, james stavridis. msnbc's chief international analyst.ent. certainly, very treacherous for ukraine and for their civilian population. but it seems that they're also making some important gains on the battlefield. tell us how you evaluate it all. >> i think you've got it about right, nicole. in other words, russia's offensive operations have really stalled, and the ukrainians are clearly gearing up for offensive operations. the recent war crime, striking a train station, killing civilians, including children, is yet another page out of the awful playbook that putin is generating here, and i think, sadly, you're just going to see more of that. he is someone who has dug his teeth into this. he's not going to let go, and it's up to us to continue giving the ukrainians the tools to go on the offensive. they're doing so very effectively. the recent addition of $3 billion from the united states just announced by the president, i think, is a step in the right direction as well, nicole. >> the campaign of targeting civilians is so blatant and so f

and and for example, there is such a composite general stavridis-admiral., he wrote a book, world war 2034, which describes in detail the scenario that due to the conflict in the south china sea, a large-scale use of the armed forces of the chinese of the united states begins and even then the american doctrine may undergo very large-scale changes. here is the conflict avoidance prophet. today the hybrid is in direct collision. with china now with the use of nuclear weapons. that is, and the bite is a sight for this world war in 2030 35, everyone understands where this is going, the same thing is happening with i identical structural situation with ukraine to create a big ukrainian conflict, a crisis, chinese ukraine is taiwan. so the same chinese. they live there only inspired in many ways that these are taiwanese and so on, not chinese, and along the perimeter of all other countries, using this threat, china means creating alliances around itself to consolidate. at the same time, everyone is well aware that all neighboring countries are their main trading

joining us now, nbc news correspondent josh lederman in kyiv and admiral james stavridis. >> he was bornukraine when he was in the u.s. army. he is back here now getting a firsthand sense from u.s. officials as well as top ukrainian officials about the status of the battle to try to repel russia. he's also here, jose, sounding the alarm about what he calls ukraine fatigue in the u.s. he said he's a victim of it himself, with everything from january 6th to all the other issues in the news in the u.s., to stay focused on this war. he said the outcome of president putin's war in ukraine is absolutely going to define the next several decades of u.s. national security. he has been fairly critical of president biden for his approach to supporting ukraine so far saying that, at every step of the way, the biden administration has been one step behind the curve. >> i would advise president biden to start to think about this war not now, but a month from now, three month from now, six months from now and how much more dangerous that kind of war looks. take the courageous decisions now. don't wait

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important and an important message to actually send going into the winter, winter is coming as admiral stavridis said earlier and a win in kherson, or anywhere in the south, while holding everything basically as is in the east, will make a huge difference. but jonathan lemire, we've been hearing about the moral of russian soldiers for quite sometime. we're now into, as many experts predicted, several months ago, a grinding war of attrition. a war of attrition where over 20,000 russian troops have died, where thousands of ukrainians are dying. the country is just absolutely savaged. but here we find the difference between your country's very survival is at stake, and when you're a con script or somebody who is going in because you feel like you have no other choice. which is a position that the russians are in. this is where moral makes such a huge difference in warfare, because the russians are there, you know, either because they need to make money or because they're being pushed into it. and you've got the ukrainians who are fighting for their very existence. there is no plan b for them. >> ye

let's bring in retired four- star navy admiral james stavridis, chief diplomacy analyst for nbc news and msnbc, former senior operations officer with the cia joining us, chief white house correspondent for the new york times peter baker and the host of trying to come along with former aide to the george bush white house and state department. a great group for this momentous moment. >> the pensacola boy in me demands that i defer to the admiral but this morning i will go to the guy who lost friends looking for ayman al-zawahiri, looking for this monster. we spoke yesterday and you were very emotional when the news came out because of the men and women who lost their lives hunting this animal down who plotted out 9/11 who again it was not osama bin laden's successor, he was a mentor who pushed him toward al qaeda so tell me what this means to you and to the professionals in the cia who have been hunting this person down for 20 years. >> you are absolutely right, a deeply personal moment for me. in the hunt for ayman al- zawahiri i lost friends, i helped carry them so yesterday when hea

. >> joining us, former commander james stavridis and also analyst for nbc news and msnbc.chael wide, correspondent for yahoo! news joins us as well. good to have you both this morning. >> admiral, let's begin with you. we talked with you about the importance of a campaign in the south before weather sets in. i wasn't talking about this far south, but i suspect you may think it's a pretty good idea, strategically. >> it's incredibly good idea. we can't give russia a pass on, oh, won't attack crimea because you annexed. that's ridiculous. and, by the way, someone needs to tell the russian defense ministry that there are these things called satellites that look down. so, everything that happens on that base is totally clear, including the destruction of some nice tasty number of jets and helicopters. this is a very good move by the ukrainians. and it just shows how well they are burning in, adapting. using the weapons systems that were provided to them. and the second point to be made here, joe, geographically, this shows the ukrainians pushing towards a city called kherson,

joining us now, former nato supreme allied commander james stavridis.al, this along with the reports that we've been discussing on the show over the past week, about ukrainians making possible gains or action inside crimea, which was, of course, annexed by russian, stolen by russian back in 2014, where does the balance of power stand right now? >> let's just step back. we're at this for six month months now, mika, as you know. joe was talking about a gentleman's d. that is the highest grade you can give the russians. they've been miserable at so many efforts of this. their goal of conquering this entire country has simply failed. that's why you're seeing events as you just described in places like kharkiv, second largest city. attacks against civilians. another name for that, war crimes. that's what putin is reaching for now. i think you're going to see more of that, more flailing around by the russians, not a lot of progress in their offensive in the donbas. on the other side of the firing line, where is the balance of power? i think momentum, the wind

and and for example, there is such a composite general stavridis-admiral.use of the chinese armed forces of the united states begins and even then the american doctrine may undergo very large-scale changes. here is conflict avoidance from proxy hybrid wars in a direct confrontation with china now with the use of nuclear weapons. that is, the aucus is a sight for this world war in 2030 35, everyone understands what it is going to, the same thing is happening, uh, uh, identical structural the situation with ukraine to create a big ukrainian conflict, a crisis, chinese ukraine is taiwan so the same chinese. they live there only inspired in many ways that these are taiwanese and so on, and not the chinese, and along the perimeter of all other countries, using this threat. china means to create unions around itself to consolidate. at the same time, everyone is well aware that all neighboring countries are their main trading partners. for 10 years now - it's china the united states is second in this region and east asia in southeast asia for sure. also, as it is