ukraine's partners to intervene to prevent the destruction of the ukrainian economy, quoting stavridis admiral, russia's actions in the international waters of the black sea create real risks of escalation to war on the sea between nato and the russian federation, the alliance is not going to provide ukraine with all the weapons and money only to watch as russia strangles their economy with an illegal blockade and the exit called the russian okan sugar tactics surprisingly significant piracy as the kremlin makes more and more efforts to undermine trade between ukraine and the rest of europe quote direct language if russia starts seizing ships or trying to deter them i think nato will respond by supporting a humanitarian shipping corridor well we understand what supporting a humanitarian corridor means for shipboard from nato kilogram channels report explosions about cotton in temporarily occupied berdyansk now about all this and more we are growing valery about the captain's stock of the armed forces of ukraine marine corps glory to ukraine and valery glory to the heroes i hear you, mr. valery

joining us now, former supreme allied commander of nato, retired four-star navy admiral, james stavridislyst for nbc news. we're so delighted he's with us this morning. admiral, great to see you. let's start with the war in ukraine. it seems to me that it's more a campaign of terror from vladimir putin going after these rescue workers. but it comes against the ukrainian counteroffensive. now, we've talked to you a number of times in recent weeks, and you've been pretty optimistic about where it would go. but reports so far say it's been pretty slow progress. what's your assessment? where do you think things stand? >> let's start with tactics. you can sum them up in one word. it's terrorism. this is the type of thing that al qaeda or the islamic state used to do routinely. plant one bomb, attract all of those marvelous, heroic first responders, boom, second bomb goes off. that's a war crime on a stack of other war crimes from attacking ds from bombing civilian infrastructure, torture chambers, rape rooms, you name it. there'll be accountability for this eventually, it is terrorism. from w

he'll do everything he can to reek vengeance on prigozhin. >> yeah, retired four-star navy admiral james stavridisny prigozhin in months, and it appears the admiral was correct. a private passenger plane en route from moscow to st. petersburg yesterday had prigozhin on board when it crashed. this video uploaded to social media has been independently geolocated by nbc news. it shows a plane falling to the ground in the area where prigozhin's plane reportedly crashed. nbc news has not independently verified prigozhin was on this plane. earlier this summer, the wagner group, with prigozhin at the helm, staged an unsuccessful uprising against the russian government. joe, i still question, i mean, was he on that plane? i just -- knowing this man, having read about him, i guess that might be a question. >> well, i just -- julia ioffe, who knows a little bit about russia, the way russians think and the way russians act, i tweeted this line from her newsletter about this. she said, prigozhin, it seems, is dead. >> yeah. >> the, "it seems," of course, does an awful lot there. >> yes, it does. >> i agree wi

the topic - this politician printed her own serious warning from the former nato commander admiral james stavridis, who says that the black sea can turn into a battlefield , including russia, nato in this format, because the territorial waters of the world belong to the countries a member of nato, to what extent will this situation stop the russians from what they are doing in the black sea , well, look, in general, several publications will say yes. well, in order not to offend anyone, authoritative yes. and they say that this russian adventure with this, these so -called stops with this entire information flow what they generate there is absolutely insane. i will not even reproduce the whole attempt. they fantasize it all , as they say, a cheap theater. why is it a cheap theater , because in fact they are constantly able to stop and inspect all the ships that are heading across the bosphorus, the russians are not physically present. in addition, all the available military forces of the russian federation in the waters of the black sea are a legitimate military target, and with the appropriate ri

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stavridis. thank you so much for being with us, admiral. katty kay has the first question. katty?that was true even five to ten years ago. so president biden says this is not about china. but it is about china to some extent, isn't? >> it is entirely about china. in a geopolitical sense. there is certainly enormous economic angles to putting this together. you're looking at the leaders of the third largest economy in the world after ours, the first that would be japan and roughly the ninth or tenth largest economy in the world. so this is an economic play alongside that military geopolitical one. you're right. it very much has to do with china. look, i operated for decades in the pacific. i would see japanese and south korean warships try and try to do exercises together under a u.s. umbrella. never worked. never be the apple of each other's eyes. however, they can come together and work can come together and work productively. kudos to the biden administration. it's smart economics. >> you have the south koreans and the japanese worried about china's saber rattling vis-a-vis taiw