with regard to steck shin fi5. i think it would be helpful to identify what section 5 requires. this is -- in the 2011 guidelines f government's view and this is how this has long been understood, that the black proportion can be reduced to the point where blacks no longer have the ability to elect the candidate of their choice. until you get to that point, changes are not retrogressive. >> it's speculative, but i think if alabama had reduced the number of majority voters in majority/minority districts in a significant way, the attorney general would have come down on them like a ton of bricks. >> that's not correct, your honor. >> he also -- the government's view of this is set out in georgia versus ashcroft and in the oral argument of mr. stewart at the time, as they claimed it and this remains their view and consistent with the way the department has operated, until the numbers can fall, until it gets to the point where the ability to elect is in question. >> i have a problem. can i just go back to your shaw nonshaw? >> basically you're saying you don't have a shaw challenge?