. >> you know, when we look -- and put this in context for us, steffen. to 2008, this was a very important state for president obama and his win. in the caucuses, it showed that because of the white vote going towards president obama, that he was electable. and then this year, this is the state where the president began his campaign. how important? and i should say symbolic is iowa to the president? >> well, it's very symbolic. as you said, iowa has a very small minority population. and yet he came out on top in the caucuses, and i think it gave him the credential with other states where white voters could say, well, look, he did well in iowa and the iowans are pretty smart politically. he didn't get, you know, the victory in the caucuses because of minority votes, african-americans, and others. so it is symbolically important. i think the other problem in iowa is that the republican party in iowa has really been very conservative. you saw that in the primaries in the caucuses, which then went to the primaries where we had evangelical and other conservati