. >> host: i want to go on over your life, you write to us, 1959 steinbeck's the grapes of wrath were very important to you, it made you a socialist before studying economics. >> caller: yes it did, it is a wonderful book which every american should read. but by the way, the okies who went to california a few years later were fully employed and air craft factories during the war and did pretty well. >> host: 1961 a book that was important to was robert the worldly philosophers which got me setting economics which in the end cured me of the socialism that steinbeck had created. >> caller: that's right and bob himself advocated. he was a prince of a a man. he had his career at the new school for social research in new york and he was a convinced socialist. but towards the end of his career, he admitted that capitalism, as he insisted on calling it which i wish he hadn't. had one. though he was not only a prince of a guy, but he was honest. >> host: 1995, jan j morris' book conundrum, which showed me that a professional person coul change gender without catastrophe. >> caller: she was th

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